I don't see the connection in IMDB and I doubt that she only was seven years when she married Jerome.
Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
“Your other Valerie may have been born in 1940, but she’s not Valerie Newman. That other Valerie’s movies were made in the appropriate timeframe for a young woman born in 1940.”
She’s not Valerie Newman? I don’t understand you. Valerie Newman is on the public record and on the movie database
Name: Valerie Newman
Birth Date: 1940
Address: 370 Montauk Cir, Syracuse, NY, 13212
Name: Valerie Newman
Birth Date: 1940
Address: 370 Montauk Cir, Syracuse, NY, 13212
You deny the Public record when it suits you. If you have specific links you want me to follow let me know. I don’t have time to follow all of them.
And I don’t have to prove anything. I can ask questions and there doesn’t seem to be any good answers forthcoming. In fact quite the opposite. Lack of interest and curiosity. And I’m looking for a female relative of Fred Newman called Valerie Newman. Martha Trowbridge didn’t say daughter, she said the mother was close to Fred, related to him.
And I don’t see any credible theory from the researchers. Sorry
I don’t see any credible theory from the researchers, either. You got that right. A credible theory can be replicated. It’s based upon evidence that can be authenticated.
“.....then that same woman is the mother of Janie and the wife of Curly Howard. Except she’s not, because THAT woman who was the wife of Curly Howard, according to IMDB, which you linked as a source, was BORN IN 1915 or thereabouts.”
Look I posted evidence of a Valerie Newman born 1940, you’re referring to another different Valerie. If you want to discuss any link, post it with your question and I’ll have a look.
“Why aren’t you looking for a relative of Fred Newman named Jo Ann, since that’s the name Trowbridge, the CREATIVE WRITER, used? Or has she since decided to change Jo Ann’s name to Valerie?”
I am, why aren’t you? I think an important thing about Martha Trowbridge was that she raised a good question. Why was Jo Ann Newman, white office junior, writing the obituary of famous militant anti white black man Malcolm X? She thought it was cos Jo Ann was the mum, but because I think Otraitor was born in 1959, Valerie Newman born 1940 is a better candidate. I’d like to know if she was related to Fred Newman, and I’d like to know if Jo Ann was related and Joanne was the nanny.
RESIDENCE:
1984 - Quantico, VA
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/training
Ah, I see what you mean. I think they’ve merged the records of two Valerie Newmans, the older one you mention born 1915 did the Mrs Mitchell and Mrs Marcus, the younger Valerie Newman born 1940 did the Office Girl in TV Series Suspense 1963. Probably why she didn’t keep her maiden name for her acting credits after she married.
The Charge of the Light Brigade
Mrs. Mitchell
1967The Wednesday Play (TV series)
Mrs. Marcus
– Drums Along the Avon (1967) … Mrs. Marcus
1963Suspense (TV series)
Office Girl
– Walk in Fear (1963) … Office Girl
“I don’t see the connection in IMDB and I doubt that she only was seven years when she married Jerome”
Two different Valerie Newmans merged on the IMDB database. See post 506
The role of Office Girl in 1963 is too young for the other Valerie Newman born 1915.
Left one Valerie Newman, right one Valerie Sarruf?
Greenperson, check out ABrit’s posting history. Until he jumped in to this thread and the Archives thread in the beginning of August, he had not posted since 2004, and even then, only one page of comments in 2004. A couple more pages and the comments are all the way to 2002.
Draw your own conclusions.
What makes you think that she was born in 1915? Her husband was born in 1932.
Why did an errand girl named Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary?(It's not the obituary; it's an obituary.)
Do you accept the job description and the name?
Do you reject the job description but accept the name?
Do you reject the job description and the name?
Who wrote this particular elegy?
As a footnote, you have an attitude problem. Don't accuse others of being obtuse in the paragraph in which you mean to type kind yet type king.
The question of the elegy is of note: is this a menial doing a rhapsodic celebration of the black muslim martyr or is it a masked dramatic piece from a player.
What are your tells?
Greenperson said 1915 up thread cos she married someone called Curly referred to IMDB page
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0628299/
which says “trivia Daughter Janie with Curly Howard”. The Valerie Newman you have there is 53 years old, she’s too old to play the office girl in 1963.
Still need to see the Valerie Newman in Suspense Walk in Fear.
Can you answer the question, “Why did an errand girl named Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary?”
Thanks for that. I have some question that I will come back with, but first I would say that if identities are being created or protected, would the Majdalanys provide a good legend to protect the mothers real identity?
Well Valerie Newman the older appeared to be very much alive in the Charge of the Light Brigade 1968...
I’m not sure what’s going on, unless the Charge of Light Brigade Valerie has a younger date of birth than 1915..
By the way, I take back obtuse, my mistake, you are in fact acute.
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