No need. I’ve read the relevant boxes. Nothing conclusive there either way.
Really? You read over eight thousand pages of documentation in only 90 minutes? Keep on trolling.
Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Thanks. I’m reading.
Suggestion. Open up a spreadsheet, and as you go through the 68 files, enter dates in the left column, and descriptions of events in other columns.
When you finish reading the files, you can then sort everything by date, and post the various time periods here.
No need. I’ve read the relevant boxes. Nothing conclusive there either way. Unless there’s better evidence than “looks”, I’m doubting Mal and Val as parents.
No. Only two boxes covered the dates I was looking for.
Are they in the date range I’m looking for?
Don’t forget the archives at Columbia, which, iirc - it took 10 years for Malcolm Marable to compile:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ccbh/mxp/nationofislam.html
A production of Wonderwheel - which also set this up:
http://www.wonderwheel.net/work/foia/
And if you’re looking for the photographic and video presentation of the summer, 1959 trip to africa and the middle east, forget it, it’s been removed.
And there's the rub, after so many insults and disgusting, hostile behaviour, you can take my word for it, I wouldn't give either of them a clue to save themselves if their hair was in fire. In all my years on FR, I have never experienced anything like it. Telling us where and when we may post a comment, claiming ownership of a topic, demanding to be informed of research results, accused of being a subversive engaged in a campaign of misinformation by lazy dimwits who bring nothing but rudeness to the discussion.
Bottom-feeders and blog pimps!
Try that sort of behaviour on a left-wing site and see how far you get. Conservatives are far too polite.
What we are experiencing is nothing short of FASCIST behaviour.
With a sprinkling of leftist professional trolls.
Try that sort of behaviour on a left-wing site and see how far you get. Conservatives are far too polite.
Far too polite veering into "emasculated wimp pantswetting bunny wabbit enablers of evil by doing nothing" territory... Needs to change.
What we are experiencing is nothing short of FASCIST behaviour.
Exactly, and such behavior stinks of leftist professional troll.
Can you answer the question, “Why did an errand girl named Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary?”
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The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
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Can you answer the question:
Why did you stop posting in 2004 and in the beginning of August a bit more than a week ago jump into this thread with insane babbling and a nasty attitude?
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Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived?
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Gee, that’s a tough one, I can’t say I know much about this Sarruf person, but I have a clue where MX might have been in 1960. The Reverend Manning seems to think he was in Seattle, setting up a temple for NOI. Manning thinks he was there for at least a year. Do you happen to have a link to that video?
Manning talks about the Hotel Theresa, and who was there, and that was also in 1960. In September, iirc. Wait a minute...June or July 1960 MX was in Seattle, that was the date shown on the FBI files, before they were re-arranged and all the dates were covered in black.
| Author | John Toutonghi | Posted By | John Toutonghi |
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| Date | 05-09-2004 | Date Posted | 9---0-2004 |
| Source | Feedback | Type | Comment |
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The late Fouad Sarruf, former president of American University of Beirut, and formerly with UNESCO, was my mother Lorice Sarruf\'s first cousin. I am hoping to find out more about her family, as I am planning a trip to Lebanon to see her family\'s root. I live in France and in Belgium now and am a retired university professor. Do you know if there are any Sarruf\'s living in Lebanon still? My uncles were Farid (Alexandre) and Adeeb, they were born in Cairo I believe, but everyone in that generation is now dead and I cannot find out anything about their relatives. I know that Fouad\'s daughter Valerie lives in France but I have no way of contacting her. Can you help? John Toutonghi |
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IMO, the ball is in the court of those “researchers” promoting the Mal-Val narrative to bring forward even a shred of evidence in support of when and where Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf got together to produce Barry.
IMO, the court of public opinion is the only remaining venue that can be used to eject Barry from the presidency and that requires making findings of evidence public, as Joe Arpaio has done, and the getting funding to bring ballot actions or to fund additional evidence gathering all of which will serve to bring forward more folks who have been holding back on more evidence and will be emboldened to come forward.
As to the FBI file, the files on X for 1960, particularly September and October, are interesting to say the least. He seems to be in New York and New Haven spouting hated for and wishing horrible death on all whites, although he is reported to have considered Russians, like Lenin with some Asian blood, and Stalin with some Georgian blood to be “non-whites” and candidates to ally with American blacks to achieve a revolution...while denouncing communists, such as Castro, as atheists at other times. No sign of Valerie Sarruf in the NYC area that I can see.
There are totally blacked-out pages suspiciously in 1960, I note, not that I expect there is any evidence in support of the Mal-Val narrative in those pages.
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