OMG! This country is indeed doomed when people like you believe that FORGERIES are LEGAL.
And I see you and some others are still keeping the
going.
Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Did you hear something from a little troll that lost his pony?
I think the village idiot missed my earlier link. ;-)
lol, that was easy. Everyone now knows who the moron is.
Yes, what a font of virtue.
I suggest we close this discussion. The antagonist is evidently not in full control of his bag of marbles. Nothing useful can come from arguing with a fool.
And your reply here indicates I hit the nail on the head.
What was the purpose, Brown Deer, of posting @MX's birth certificate and mugshot?
Are you "gainfully employed" yourself, Brown Deer?
Where does @the letter you posted, Fred, say MX shagged Valerie Sarrfu?
If you can't answer it...or is that won't answer it...then no big deal. Your refusal to answer such a benign question says all I need to know.
Leave it be; remember, that kind of mental illness results in accomplices becoming victims. Their privacy is invaded, their trust is used to destroy others. It’s fiendish.
Besides, you're not an accomplice of mine! LOL
OMG! This country is indeed doomed when people like you believe that FORGERIES are LEGAL.
And I see you and some others are still keeping thegoing.
The NOI was actually very into puritanical and into monogamous marriage, IIRC, with NO premarital relations...which caused a huge disappointment to Malcolm X when he discovered that Elijah Muhammad was boinking all of his “interns” getting something like eight of them pregnant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X
“One reason for the separation was growing tension between Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad because of Malcolm X's dismay about rumors of Muhammad's extramarital affairs with young secretaries, actions that were against the teachings of the Nation. Although at first Malcolm X had ignored the rumors, after speaking with Muhammad's son Wallace and the women making the accusations, he came to believe that they were true. Muhammad confirmed the rumors in 1963 but tried to justify his actions by reference to precedents set by Biblical prophets.”
During the time-frame when X would have needed to be with Valerie Sarruf, he was busy pumping out daughters with his monogamous wife (also from Wiki):
“Marriage and family
“In 1955, Betty Sanders met Malcolm X after one of his lectures, then again at a dinner party; soon she was regularly attending his lectures. In 1956 she joined the Nation of Islam, changing her name to Betty X.[58] One-on-one dates were contrary to the Nation's teachings, so the couple courted at social events with dozens or hundreds of others, and Malcolm X made a point of inviting Betty X on the frequent group visits he led to New York's museums and libraries.[59]
“Although they had never discussed marriage, Malcolm X proposed on a telephone call from Detroit in January 1958, and they married two days later.[60][61] They had six daughters: Attallah (b. 1958, named for Attila the Hun);[62][63] Qubilah (b. 1960, named for Kublai Khan);[64] Ilyasah (b. 1962, named for Elijah Muhammad);[65] Gamilah Lumumba (b. 1964, named for Patrice Lumumba);[66] and twins Malikah and Malaak (b. 1965 after their father's death, and named for him).[67]”
Only in 1964 when X embraced Sunni Wahhabism would multiple wives have been open to him... but as you can see he was still knocking out daughters...even after he died two more were born. Some males are prone to have daughters and X seems to be one.
For your edification...uttering
I don't see anyone even filing any uttering charges, much less forgery charges, so in the legal sense that BS birth certificate is still "the real deal" and until something is done in a court proceeding, as in filing criminal charges, it's going to remain legal.
FOR THE RECORD
Macolm X’s Biography Wins Pulitzer Prize: Reveals Shocking Sex Scandal and Marital Problems
6:22 PM EDT 4/16/2012 by Roz Edward184 Views SHARE
Some may call it irony, some may call it poetic justice but on Monday, April 16 — which would have been Malcolm X’s 86th birthday —the author of the most comprehensive biography of the civil rights leader’s life and work, received the Pulitzer Prize for History. Columbia University professor, Dr Manning Marable, author of Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention, was awarded the coveted prize as he died at the age of 60, only 60 days before the book’s publication.
The nearly 600-page biography thoroughly re-exmaines Malcolm X’s life, his work and the assassination. Although Malcolm authorized journalist Alex Haley to chronicle his own life in the famous The Autobiography of Malcolm X, published nine months after he died, Marable criticized the work saying that it was more Haley’s voice than Malcolm’s. In Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention Marable establishes that the Autobiography omitted some significant aspects of Malcolm’s youthful criminal life while dramatically exaggerating others.
Marable also confirms a theory presented in Bruce Perry’s 1991 biography, Malcolm: The Life of a Man Who Changed Black America, that Malcolm developed a close relationship with William Paul Lennon, a wealthy gay white man in his late fifties, who paid Malcolm for sex.
The award winning biography digs into Malcolm’s marriage with Betty Shabazz, summing up the relationship as one in which he regarded Shabazz “largely as a nuisance.” But according to critics the books only major shortcoming is failing to provide solid information regarding the FBI and the New York Police Department’s investigation of the Nation of Islam and how much either agency knew in advance about the assassination team that killed Malcolm X at the Audubon Ballroom in New York in 1965. -roz edward
Macolm X’s Biography Wins Pulitzer Prize: Reveals Shocking Sex Scandal and Marital Problems
I still don't see anything about MX shagging Sharruf.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/07/malcolm-x-man-behind-myth
And now Malcolm X is the subject of a new warts-and-all biography that took 12 years to write and prompts fresh reflection on the man white America feared above all others. It’s another kick-start, even if it does take the Malcolm we know from Haley’s book into places Malcolm X wouldn’t have wanted it to go.
Manning Marable, an academic and respected authority on black America, doesn’t use his book Malcolm X: A Life in Reinvention, to destroy the reputation of the man who told the heartlands that the assassination of President Kennedy represented “chickens coming home to roost”. But, over 487 pages, Marable does effectively destroy the cultivated brand. There is a wealth of detail, some of it new, some of it old stories confirmed, all aided by documents and new recollections from the US government, the FBI and the Nation of Islam, whose leader Louis Farrakhan gave the author an unprecedented nine-hour interview. At the end of it all, Malcolm X remains Malcolm X, for good or ill, one of the most fascinating historical figures of the 20th century. But it is difficult to see him in the same way again.
There is a poignancy to the project too, for although Marable wrote more than 20 books – including a 1992 pamphlet about Malcolm X’s politics – this attempt to find the man behind the legend was a labour of love. Marable was a college freshman in the early 70s when the character of Malcolm X first intrigued him. His work on the biography was severely hampered by ill health. For 25 years he suffered sarcoidosis, an illness that gradually eroded his pulmonary functions. In the last year of research, he needed oxygen tanks to breathe, and the author had a double lung transplant last year. Marable died last Friday from complications related to pneumonia, three days before the worldwide publication of his book.
It was, in more ways than one, a courageous endeavour. “The great temptation for a biographer of an iconic figure,” writes Marable, “is to portray him or her as a virtual saint, without the normal contradictions and blemishes all human beings have. I have devoted so many years in the effort to understand the interior personality and mind of Malcolm that this temptation disappeared long ago.” Freed from the restrictions imposed by this “mythic legend” and the constraints of “Malcolmology”, Marable opted to shine a light.
So we meet a Malcolm X whose words of piety and purity as the public face of the Nation of Islam, and then as a spokesman for mainstream Islam in his own right, were not always matched by deeds. This Malcolm apparently drank wine on at least one occasion recorded by Marable, and rum and Coke on another. He also appears to have had an extramarital affair with a female follower and probably a tryst with an admirer while travelling abroad.
Still nothing about shagging Sharruf. Wasn't Sharruf a Christian?
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