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Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.


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To: Greenperson
yep...


761 posted on 08/12/2012 3:28:45 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Greenperson

I take it that you’ll never be seen on top of a 150’ tower changing out a 16”/300# valve as a cold front with heavy rain moves through.


762 posted on 08/12/2012 3:33:38 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer
Oh, I love it! You didn't read my reply 760 before you posted that, did you!

Too easy! Keep digging.

How are you coping with your unemployment?

763 posted on 08/12/2012 3:36:54 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks; little jeremiah
"my dirty, calloused hands are the proof of my labors"


764 posted on 08/12/2012 3:38:08 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
And yet once again you show your complete disrespect of others by using their comments without pinging them.

And you wouldn't find Anthony Weiner getting his hands dirty doing honest work.
I doubt that your unemployed hands have ever even been dirty and, like Anthony Weiner, you've probably never worked at a real job your whole life.

765 posted on 08/12/2012 3:44:40 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer; Fred Nerks; little jeremiah
You three need to really "think" about this...

@... remember, that kind of mental illness results in accomplices becoming victims.

I'm not an accomplice of yours. You three are accomplices.
Which of you is going to become the victim of the others?

766 posted on 08/12/2012 3:49:58 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer

I have it on my “ignore” list.


767 posted on 08/12/2012 3:55:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Brown Deer

It’s weird when people are caught in lie after lie and they just keep going on as though no one caught them.

There must be a psychiatric definition. Bet there are people in the Vacaville hospital for the criminally insane like that.


768 posted on 08/12/2012 4:02:37 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks; little jeremiah; Brown Deer
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They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible.
Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims.

Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

It seems I'm the target of a group of sociopaths, subjected to ridicule and scorn, but only in a cowardly, indirect manner.

One of you is going to be the victim of the others, not me.

769 posted on 08/12/2012 4:03:42 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah
It’s weird when people are caught in lie after lie and they just keep going on as though no one caught them.
Yep, another coward rears her head right on cue.
770 posted on 08/12/2012 4:07:32 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Greenperson

I don’t know about the safety of the son. Really have no idea; other than to protect the reputation of the father. One point, though, is that megalomaniacs, especially ones who want to wreak vengance on others (he wanted Mau Mau to happen in the US), think everyone else is just as hateful and vengeful as they are. So perhaps (just speculating) he thought “they” would want to kill his son, since obviously “they” were after him.

Hard to read the mind of criminally insane people, especially without the right training in that field.


771 posted on 08/12/2012 4:08:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
So predictable...
@That is my final comment to you on FR.

But not your last comment about me, right?

772 posted on 08/12/2012 4:12:50 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah
...(just speculating)...
There sure is a lot of that going on.
773 posted on 08/12/2012 4:15:27 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah
Maybe you should visit the Spindletop Center.
I already have.


It's not his fault: Mental health month at the Spindletop Center
774 posted on 08/12/2012 4:21:48 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer; little jeremiah
And the coward parade continues.

This is your tagline, little jeremiah...(Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)

You have no courage as you snipe at me like a coward, just like Brown Deer.
You speak of virtues yet when it comes time to exhibit yours the testing point shows you have no courage or, by extension, any other virtues.

775 posted on 08/12/2012 4:29:24 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah
this might explain a few things...


776 posted on 08/12/2012 4:36:02 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer; little jermiah
Maybe you should visit the Spindletop Center.
I already have.

It's not his fault: Mental health month at the Spindletop Center
Isn't it funny how you frame the conversation in one manner and then come back later with what you really meant.
You see, there's also a Spindletop Center for Excellence in Teaching and Technology that's simply called the Spindletop Center as well. That's the one I've been to.

You really need to be less deceptive and more concise so you don't make erroneous conclusions, false assertions or try to create a false impression about someone.

777 posted on 08/12/2012 4:48:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer; little jeremiah
Since you're unemployed I can understand why you would be looking up why you're having mental problems.

See, my unemployment is related to a physical injury, not a mental illness like with you, Brown Deer.

778 posted on 08/12/2012 4:55:51 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah

Who was that person who keeps crying about lying by omission?

Short term memory loss is a sign of depression.
Maybe you should visit the Spindletop Center.


779 posted on 08/12/2012 5:05:37 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
Who was that person who keeps crying about lying by omission?

I'm not crying about lying by omission, I'm pointing out that you lie by omission.
And you've just shown that you do it again!

You said...Maybe you should visit the Spindletop Center.
You didn't say "Maybe you should visit the Spindletop Center MHMR."

So thanks for showing once again that you knowingly and with intent lie by omission for nefarious purposes.

780 posted on 08/12/2012 5:13:17 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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