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To: Unam Sanctam; Jim Robinson
Unam Sanctam:

Now, let's get a few things straight.

There are various forms of what passes for Catholicism that exist in our land. It would be entertaining to watch you try to defend your version to my pastor. My Catholicism is not the Kumbaya variety. I don't sit around the old campfire crooning Kumbaya while selling out Catholic doctrine and conservative principles just to make nice with the enemies of both. I don't live in a Pollyanna world in which something becomes right because I really, REALLY, really want it to be.

Romney says he will repeal and REPLACE Obamacare. That means renaming the overwhelming majority of Obamacare as National Romneycare. What on earth makes you think otherwise??? The pissant had a track record in Massachusetts and George McGovern in his prime could not have done worse on issues that matter.

I don't really give a damn what Mittler's "stated policies" may be this week. Governor Etch-a-Sketch has an entire career of lies, deceptions, convenient changes of what passes for his conscience, and all purpose GOP elitist windtunnelism behind him and he is not about to change his ways at 65. Anyone who believes any of his self-serving lies is a fool. Lucy is teeing up that football, Charlie Brown, and this time she REALLY promises not to pull it away at the last second.

Romney never appointed a single "pro-life judge" in Massachusetts. Why would he start now? On this issue: Obama vs. Romney: Advantage to neither. You owe an apology to "gray" for accusing Mittler of being a shade of it.

Please stop the silly pretension that I HAVE to make what you erroneously call a prudential, pragmatic judgment as to which of these gross evils (Obozo or Mittler) is "the least bad alternative." I don't have to make any such judgment. I can refuse to sell my soul and I can vote for Tom Hoefling all in one election while voting AGAINST Obozo AND Mittler.

My Catholic Faith tells me to be accountable to God for the decisions I make in life, including election decisions. My Catholic Faith does not suggest that I compromise with either of this year's major party POTUS evils and materially cooperate with militant pro-aborts, and militant cheerleaders for all things rump ranger. Sorry about your faith. I don't normally argue religion here but you are mischaracterizing Catholicism while you claim to be Catholic. You are effectively claiming that God wants Catholics to support an ahortion-loving, lavender queen supporting excuse for a POTUS candidate. You are thereby scandalizing Catholics. Silence is not an option in the face of scandal.

Is it now unacceptably "hyper purist" for Catholics to refuse material cooperation with the mass murder of babies and with the everlasting promotion of fudge-packing??? What would "moderation" look like in your imagination?

"Atheistic communism???" That is promoted by the GOP-E as well as by the Obozos. The only difference is that the Romney types worship two false gods: MONEY and POWER! And the Obozo types simply worship power (and NOT in our name). I was not aware that either Obozo or Romney are in slow motion in trying to wreck our republic. Any evidence for that "prudential judgment" other than candidates' self-serving lies?

Everyone IS a sinner. It's a fallen world. See Mr. and Mrs. Adam at the very outset. That is not the standard for repudiating politicians. The standard is that neither Obozo nor Romney have any redeeming features whatsoever to be POTUS. I have voted for each and every GOP nominee from Nixon in 1968 to McCain in 2008. That constitutes (with the exception of Ronaldus Maximus) more than a fair amount of compromise. If I had those votes to cast again, I would not vote for Gerald Ford and perhaps not for Nixon in 1968. Ask yourself how many GOP voters of such consistency will refuse to vote for the likes of Romney.

How many babies' lives are you willing to trade for slightly lower taxes or a bit less regulation? If you claim to be a Catholic (which covers a broad territory in the US because of a generation or two of bad bishops whose successors today are far better and resulting bad catechesis), then you belong to a Church which (whatever your pastor may claim) is famed for resisting evil and not promoting it or compromising with it. Prudence has nothing to do with it. For nearly 2,000 years, we have turned shovels of dirt on the graves of each and every enemy. How many divisions has Stalin NOW??? Neither Obozo nor Romney will escape that fate. That is guaranteed by the very Highest Authority.

As to "contact" with the world, I was a Reagan State Chairman when he challenged Feckless Ford. I was also a staffer when Reagan was a convention candidate in 1968. How about you? Singing Kumbaya with our enemies around the old campfire does not count!

In ancient pagan imperial Rome, the "prudent" thing to do was for Christians (Catholics) to throw a few grains of wheat in the fire to indicate a willingness to worship the false god that was each emperor. Then the pater familia could go back to his home, his hearth and his family and his bakery or whatever and live his life. The ones we admire were willing to be torn apart by wild beasts at the Circus Maximus rather than worship (even in that minor way) a false god. There were emperors such as Marcus Aurelius who were near infinitely superior to such trash as Romney or Obozo. There were also Caligulas, Neros, Commoduses and Diocletians who more closely resemble our modern politicians (in BOTH parties) whether you want to admit it or not.

55 million sliced, diced and hamburgerized innocent babies and counting. Congratulations on "prudence" and its results.

4,176 posted on 08/16/2012 1:50:21 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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To: BlackElk; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; ...
This post deserves repeating...in full...often!

To: Unam Sanctam; Jim Robinson

Unam Sanctam:

Now, let's get a few things straight.

There are various forms of what passes for Catholicism that exist in our land. It would be entertaining to watch you try to defend your version to my pastor. My Catholicism is not the Kumbaya variety. I don't sit around the old campfire crooning Kumbaya while selling out Catholic doctrine and conservative principles just to make nice with the enemies of both. I don't live in a Pollyanna world in which something becomes right because I really, REALLY, really want it to be.

Romney says he will repeal and REPLACE Obamacare. That means renaming the overwhelming majority of Obamacare as National Romneycare. What on earth makes you think otherwise??? The pissant had a track record in Massachusetts and George McGovern in his prime could not have done worse on issues that matter.

I don't really give a damn what Mittler's "stated policies" may be this week. Governor Etch-a-Sketch has an entire career of lies, deceptions, convenient changes of what passes for his conscience, and all purpose GOP elitist windtunnelism behind him and he is not about to change his ways at 65. Anyone who believes any of his self-serving lies is a fool. Lucy is teeing up that football, Charlie Brown, and this time she REALLY promises not to pull it away at the last second.

Romney never appointed a single "pro-life judge" in Massachusetts. Why would he start now? On this issue: Obama vs. Romney: Advantage to neither. You owe an apology to "gray" for accusing Mittler of being a shade of it.

Please stop the silly pretension that I HAVE to make what you erroneously call a prudential, pragmatic judgment as to which of these gross evils (Obozo or Mittler) is "the least bad alternative." I don't have to make any such judgment. I can refuse to sell my soul and I can vote for Tom Hoefling all in one election while voting AGAINST Obozo AND Mittler.

My Catholic Faith tells me to be accountable to God for the decisions I make in life, including election decisions. My Catholic Faith does not suggest that I compromise with either of this year's major party POTUS evils and materially cooperate with militant pro-aborts, and militant cheerleaders for all things rump ranger. Sorry about your faith. I don't normally argue religion here but you are mischaracterizing Catholicism while you claim to be Catholic. You are effectively claiming that God wants Catholics to support an ahortion-loving, lavender queen supporting excuse for a POTUS candidate. You are thereby scandalizing Catholics. Silence is not an option in the face of scandal.

Is it now unacceptably "hyper purist" for Catholics to refuse material cooperation with the mass murder of babies and with the everlasting promotion of fudge-packing??? What would "moderation" look like in your imagination?

"Atheistic communism???" That is promoted by the GOP-E as well as by the Obozos. The only difference is that the Romney types worship two false gods: MONEY and POWER! And the Obozo types simply worship power (and NOT in our name). I was not aware that either Obozo or Romney are in slow motion in trying to wreck our republic. Any evidence for that "prudential judgment" other than candidates' self-serving lies?

Everyone IS a sinner. It's a fallen world. See Mr. and Mrs. Adam at the very outset. That is not the standard for repudiating politicians. The standard is that neither Obozo nor Romney have any redeeming features whatsoever to be POTUS. I have voted for each and every GOP nominee from Nixon in 1968 to McCain in 2008. That constitutes (with the exception of Ronaldus Maximus) more than a fair amount of compromise. If I had those votes to cast again, I would not vote for Gerald Ford and perhaps not for Nixon in 1968. Ask yourself how many GOP voters of such consistency will refuse to vote for the likes of Romney.

How many babies' lives are you willing to trade for slightly lower taxes or a bit less regulation? If you claim to be a Catholic (which covers a broad territory in the US because of a generation or two of bad bishops whose successors today are far better and resulting bad catechesis), then you belong to a Church which (whatever your pastor may claim) is famed for resisting evil and not promoting it or compromising with it. Prudence has nothing to do with it. For nearly 2,000 years, we have turned shovels of dirt on the graves of each and every enemy. How many divisions has Stalin NOW??? Neither Obozo nor Romney will escape that fate. That is guaranteed by the very Highest Authority.

As to "contact" with the world, I was a Reagan State Chairman when he challenged Feckless Ford. I was also a staffer when Reagan was a convention candidate in 1968. How about you? Singing Kumbaya with our enemies around the old campfire does not count!

In ancient pagan imperial Rome, the "prudent" thing to do was for Christians (Catholics) to throw a few grains of wheat in the fire to indicate a willingness to worship the false god that was each emperor. Then the pater familia could go back to his home, his hearth and his family and his bakery or whatever and live his life. The ones we admire were willing to be torn apart by wild beasts at the Circus Maximus rather than worship (even in that minor way) a false god. There were emperors such as Marcus Aurelius who were near infinitely superior to such trash as Romney or Obozo. There were also Caligulas, Neros, Commoduses and Diocletians who more closely resemble our modern politicians (in BOTH parties) whether you want to admit it or not.

55 million sliced, diced and hamburgerized innocent babies and counting. Congratulations on "prudence" and its results.

4,176 posted on Thursday, August 16, 2012 1:50:21 AM by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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4,184 posted on 08/16/2012 6:46:34 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tell the 52,000 mormon missionaries to stop going worldwide proclaiming Christianity to be false.)
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To: BlackElk

Bookmark for rereading later.


4,185 posted on 08/16/2012 6:49:37 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: BlackElk

Thank you for posting that, my FRiend ... you have redeemed what was otherwise a real sewer of a thread.


4,188 posted on 08/16/2012 6:58:15 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: BlackElk

Nero fiddled while Rome burned...

yeah there is there resemblance in fiddle faddle Willard...

He doesnt speak up for the country which is burning down around his manicured ears...


4,190 posted on 08/16/2012 7:04:37 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: BlackElk; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ..

Ping to post 4176


4,439 posted on 08/16/2012 4:34:56 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: BlackElk

“My Catholic Faith tells me to be accountable to God for the decisions I make in life, including election decisions. My Catholic Faith does not suggest that I compromise with either of this year’s major party POTUS evils and materially cooperate with militant pro-aborts, and militant cheerleaders for all things rump ranger. Sorry about your faith. I don’t normally argue religion here but you are mischaracterizing Catholicism while you claim to be Catholic. You are effectively claiming that God wants Catholics to support an ahortion-loving, lavender queen supporting excuse for a POTUS candidate. You are thereby scandalizing Catholics. Silence is not an option in the face of scandal.”

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We are talking about both men.

The scandal is the two choices, you can’t vote for either BHO or Mitt. Both men have legislated, increased abortion and both are pro-sodomy!

Proof it’s the end time, grave sin isn’t even considered sin!!Q!@Q

People, your soul, don’t lose it, cooperating with evil, voting fore either one of them.

What is wrong with writing in a vote?


4,472 posted on 08/16/2012 5:55:20 PM PDT by stpio
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