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To: Colofornian; fabian
Also, Romney never had a ‘conversion’, after 40 years of being an eloquent, even emotional defender of abortion, as a deeply held conviction of himself and his family, Mitt says that in a discussion about stem cell research, he became pro-life, as bloodless and unconvincing that tale is, (the scientist he was talking to denies Romney's description), it was fortunately good timing for his presidential run, as he revealed the switch in 2005.
4,240 posted on 08/16/2012 9:53:31 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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One of your references is from from 2007 and now you and Jim are calling him a liar. I think you are extremely judgmental as you simply cannot know that. You resent Romney for past weaknesses and now you and Jim are throwing the baby out with the bath water.


4,266 posted on 08/16/2012 11:18:27 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: ansel12

One of your references is from from 2007 and now you and Jim are calling him a liar. I think you are extremely judgmental as you simply cannot know that. You resent Romney for past weaknesses and now you and Jim are throwing the baby out with the bath water.


4,267 posted on 08/16/2012 11:18:38 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: ansel12; fabian
Also, Romney never had a ‘conversion’, after 40 years of being an eloquent, even emotional defender of abortion, as a deeply held conviction of himself and his family, Mitt says that in a discussion about stem cell research, he became pro-life, as bloodless and unconvincing that tale is...

Well, given three statements that either he -- or his wife, Ann, have made...it makes more "sense" that he's never changed...

In 2001, Romney was back in Utah to deal with the Olympics.

He didn't like to have to deal with the negative grumble from some pro-life Utah Mormons, so he wrote a letter to the editor of a Utah newspaper that Summer, declaring, "I do not consider myself pro-choice."

Now does that mean he was "pro-life" all along? No...He admitted as much on the 2007 campaign trail...
Jan 29, 2007...He told South Carolinans:
“Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice."
And at the Iowa GOP straw poll debate in August, 2007, he said:
"I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice."

So, for seven months he admitted he was "effectively pro-choice."

But the weasel can't always come clean...his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: "I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice."

Yup. In Mormonism it's all about that "bosom" FEELING -- no matter how self-deluded you allow yourself to get.

Then he told Chris Wallace: "I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..."

Oh, so he would "protect" the pro-aborts as they bumped off the next generation, but that's not "pro-choice"...'cause he didn't "feel" pro-choice, even though he was "effectively pro-choice."

Comprende, all???

So...as he was "effectively pro-choice," Ann Romney then comes along and does a Parade Mag interview last Fall (2011). So does Ann settle Mitt's schizophrenic mind on who the pre-born are -- once and for all? Nope. Ann Romney muddles her way thru -- just the way Mitt has...:

Parade interviewer: "In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing?"

Ann Romney's response: "No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life."

Why, Fabian, how dare you call Ann Romney a liar. Ann Romney says the Romneys have "always been pro-life" and that "Our personal opinions [on abortion] have NEVER changed..."

Comprende, Fabian???

4,338 posted on 08/16/2012 12:51:34 PM PDT by Colofornian
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