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Obama’s reelection is similar to FDR election to 2nd Term. Both men ended first term with unemployment lower then initial but still very high and a gov that spent into deficit with economy stagnate. FDR appealed to voters for more time because the Depression caused by Hoover is more severe then normal. Obama claims the same against GWB. Biggest factor is what I call the life line factor. Like the Great Depression, American workers truly cannot get jobs and trapped in homes whose value is less then the mortgage owed. 99 weeks of unemployment and food stamps is keeping the unemployed worker and his family comfortable. Obama offers to do what it takes to keep this life line open till the economy recovers, Romney hints austerity. I know freepers do not like this, but study why hungry people gravitate to parties or leaders that are bad in their long term interests. When things get bad, people worry about the next few days not the consequences of the next few decades. That is how bad things got since 2008. If socialism will feed you the next several months vs capitalism that says man up when jobs do not exist, people out of desperation will gravitate to socialism. The only hope for return of conservatism is the business cycle turns on its own despite gov and jobs become more available. When more Americans can leave food stamps and have jobs, then the issue of keeping more of their take home pay will swing them back to smaller gov and less taxes. Right now up to 16 percent of Americans are unemployed or underemployed with more giving up looking for work (on food stamps or disability). Gov entitlements have become a necessity to survive for today and financial collapse is an issue to be dealt with tomorrow. Yes it seems like short term thinking but the GOP and Conservatives need to understand Maslov’s Hierarchy of Needs. One cannot contemplate visions of free capitalism if the first critical needs (security, food, shelter) are not met.


9 posted on 11/21/2012 3:20:11 PM PST by Fee
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To: Fee
The problem with your arguments is you imagine they matter.

Politicians in America don't go out to convince the other guy to come over and vote for them ~ they go out to stir up their own followers to bother to go out to vote for them.

If you want to argue first principles, economic systems, social welfare or condition, place of religion, need for firearms ~ or whatever ~ that necessarily takes places over the long run, and it translates into votes for your own side when an entire subgroup decides they've had enough with the other guys, and because of your issues package, they make the big jump to your side ~ come the next election some of them will bother to go vote ~ FOR YOU!

Knowing that it's easy to see why Romney lost ~ he was out to convince the undecided independents in the middle that his ideas were better so they should vote for him.

Alas, there are no such people. He'd been better off campaigning for Republicans ~ and if he got as many out as did McCain, or George W. Bush he'd be President.

Obama campaigned for the Socialist vote ~ few of them around ~ over 6 million of his 2008 voters stayed home!

Obama forgot to campaign for black Democrat votes, or for Democrat votes.

I find it slightly this side of total amazement that both these guys campaigned wrong ~ and it shows.

11 posted on 11/21/2012 3:33:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Fee

“Obama’s reelection is similar to FDR election to 2nd Term”

I agree with this and the rest of your post.


20 posted on 11/21/2012 5:22:53 PM PST by cymbeline
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To: Fee

Or, if the Democrats cause them to fear that their most basic needs will be a problem. Fear is a tremendous motivator and the Democrats are masters of using it.


22 posted on 11/21/2012 6:41:14 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Fee

“Understand yourself and understand your opponents, and in one hundred battles, you will never be defeated.”

You are looking and trying to understand. You are looking deep. You are way ahead of people who were paid lots of money to win elections.


25 posted on 11/21/2012 6:49:07 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Fee
You might like this:

(Vanity) Election Demographics and the Manosphere

Cheers!

34 posted on 11/24/2012 7:17:29 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Fee

1. Obozo’s unemployment is not down it is UP. And food stamp rate is through the roof. The numbers published by the BLS are totally conjured like Obozo past (as presented).

2. OWS defeated no one. The Tea Party was the only reason that Romney was as close as he was.

3. The 2nd Enemy is the GOPe in DC. The only path out of this mess is to defeat DC (both parties) and return the center-of-gravity of US government back to the states. No other option.

4. Current path by left is total destruction of the US. That was/is Obozo’s plan from the beginning.

5. The media must be exposed for what they really are. Traitors.


36 posted on 11/25/2012 10:30:11 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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