Posted on 04/22/2014 6:56:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Senior writer John McCormack joined Greta van Susteren's political panel Monday on Fox News to discuss the protest at the Bundy ranch in Nevada. Watch the video below:
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
Meanwhile, in this week's issue, the Scrapbook writes about the problems with Cliven Bundy's cause:
Twenty years ago, the federal government, which owns the land on which Bundy grazes his 900 cattle, decided to impose a grazing fee. Bundy opposes that fee, has consistently refused to pay it, and the federal Bureau of Land Management now claims that he owes $1 million in unpaid fees. Bundy has challenged the grazing fee in federal court—indeed, has challenged the federal government’s title to land in Nevada—and has consistently lost. Sixteen years ago, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Bundy, ordering the removal of his cattle. Bundy appealed that ruling to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, and lost again. Last August, a federal court gave Bundy 45 days to remove his cattle, and in October, a federal district judge ordered Bundy not to “physically interfere with any seizure or impoundment operation.”
This does not sound to The Scrapbook like the dread hand of tyranny, in Nevada or Washington, oppressing an innocent farmer, or pushing some law-abiding citizen around. It sounds, instead, like a rancher gaming the system to his own financial advantage, and disguising his scheme in populist rhetoric: refusing to pay a tax which others must pay, and “tying up the courts”—for two decades!—as he continues to ignore the law. Far from acting in an arbitrary or capricious manner, the federal government has shown patience and forbearance in the face of lawlessness that customarily lands people in jail. It is worth noting that Bundy’s rancher-neighbors and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association, who contend with the same federal policies, offer him little support.
Bundy has exercised his First Amendment right to plead his case publicly and inflame his admirers. And inflamed they have been: A few hundred people from around the country converged on Nye County, Nevada—many armed and brandishing weapons—to disrupt the government’s attempt to enforce the law, taunting and attacking agents dutifully carrying out the orders of a federal court. Last week, fearful of violence, the BLM suspended its roundup and withdrew from the area.
This is no victory for anyone other than Bundy and, The Scrapbook hopes, a temporary one at that. There is a term to describe the people who surround him, and it isn’t “militia.” The word is “mob.” And what this mob has practiced is not civil disobedience but armed provocation of a democratic government which has afforded Cliven Bundy every right and privilege as a citizen. One of Bundy’s supporters boasted to the press that “we were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front.” This is the same spirit that animates people who attack firemen during riots, or opposed school integration with violence in Little Rock, Arkansas. In that case, 57 years ago, President Eisenhower was obliged to send the 101st Airborne because, as he said, “mob rule cannot be allowed to override the decisions of our courts.”
What was true then remains true today. Cliven Bundy is no hero of any kind. No conservative would pick and choose the laws he intends to obey, defy the rest, and challenge the rule of democracy with guns. No hero would adopt the terrorist’s tactic of placing innocents in harm’s way. Any fool can pick up a weapon and aim at an officer of the law; the moral power of civil disobedience lies in the willingness to defer to the law and accept punishment on principle.
One of the interviews a daughter said land was bought from grandparents...possibly Bundy’s wife was their daughter?
Bundy is a nutter.
Ah! The old "nuts and sluts" defense from a vicious, malevolent government/media complex which has endless amounts of taxpeasant cash with which to attack its enemies.
The states with the largest Federal land ownership generally have lots of desert. The eastern half of Oregon is very desolate; most of Nevada is not arable land; as is Utah (most of the arable land is right down the middle of the state.
The states have brought water for irrigation to some of these deserts and are producing crops while bordering these state controlled lands are federal managed lands that are completely idle.
“...federal managed lands that are completely idle.”
Yeah, Military Areas, National Parks or Wilderness areas do tend to be without irrigated crops, essentially ‘idle’.
Sounds like you want “private owners” to be getting something for nothing there.
Guess you might be a “private owner” yourself?
No, Bundy is a nutter.
He’s not paid his grazing few for decades had the courts rule against him again and again. He denies the federal government exists which is nut central and then carries the American Flag as a rally cry.
He’s a flat out nutter.
The Feds need called for sending in a virtual army over a dispute over grazing fees but this guy is not some uber patriot.
You violate the law for decades, have every court at every level rule repeatedly against you and them somehow think you are defending some liberty?
Sending in a military force to enforce the court order was ove r the line and deserved being challenged but the fundamental situation at the heart of this Bundy is completely in the wrong.
Would you sign a mortgage contract which specified that your wife was a sexual party favor at the whim of the bank that originated the mortgage?
Do you know anything about contracts?
The same contract that others were required to sign. Yes I do know about contract law and he wanted to use the land without paying the fees to do so, in other words he was stealing.
Pure and simple. Bundy engaged in theft and lawlessness, then claimed some moral authority for doing so which is nonsense.
No sane person should be hitching their wagons to this guy, this is a guy so far off the deep end he claims he doesn’t even recognize the federal government as existing at the same time he’s wrapping himself in its flag.
Nutter, not a patriot.
government is unaccountable to anyone while a private business has to produce a quality product to stay in business a government agency can do anything and no on is holding them accountable. do Americans know this stupid BLM Is in charge of over a 3rd of the land in the USA or that they are armed like an army ? no . it's not constitutional and against posse comitatus for this cretin oBama to arm the stupid BLM like an army and send the army against a single private owner for a civil matter
many of these government agencies are armed and they don't produce anything (no one even knows they are armed like this so how can they be accountable.
you give up your freedom and rights to unaccountable tyrants like obama, government , the IRS, EPA, BLM for what so they can cripple the free market
walmart , amazon can't force you do to anything nor will they send an army to get you like Obama and the BLM did
You mean, the "others" that are now no longer in the cattle business. Let's spell it out for the readers, shall we?
Don't tiptoe around it.
Pure and simple. Bundy engaged in theft and lawlessness, then claimed some moral authority for doing so which is nonsense.
I'm sorry - refresh my memory. Did the court order about "trespassing" say anything about "killing the cattle", "transporting stolen property over state lines" (another little "contract" issue with the sale of cattle), and "destroying water rights infrastructure"?
I think you mean that the BLM "engaged in theft and lawlessness, then claimed some moral authority" because they're the government, and have gunthugs armed with automatic weapons.
No sane person should be hitching their wagons to this guy, this is a guy so far off the deep end he claims he doesn’t even recognize the federal government as existing at the same time he’s wrapping himself in its flag.
This is just Lefty slander. Twisting the words of a Cliven Bundy is easier than shooting fish in a barrel.
Now, a smooth practiced Double-Tongue nutter like Harry Reid, he's a little bit harder to smear. That is, if Lefty media word-snipers actually had a notion to sniper nuball Harry Reid...
I can’t believe you think that all this land we are talking about are tied up in parks etc.., are you that uninformed?
No, I don’t. I own land that the BLM has been trying to buy. We are not selling. It is high desert, never been irrigated, home to jackrabbits and sagebrush. What it does have is natural gas.
I live in southwest Washington State along the lower Columbia River. There are few areas here that belong to the Federal Government. The Willapa Hills are forest, and the timber is privately owned. The owners do a great job maintaining their land.
Do ranchers have problems with BLM here? You betcha! The ranchers east of the Cascade Mountains seem to have the biggest headaches.
A stretch of largely vacant federal lands in Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado may hold more recoverable oil than all the rest of the world put together.
That’s just one resource your leader Obama is keeping our companies from developing on their holy federal lands
here’s a clue : government owning all that land is socialism/communism what about that don’t you understand?
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/12/us/endangered-tortoise-slows-building-boom-in-las-vegas.htmlClark County's 1991 Short-Term Habitat Conservation Plan confirms:
With the federal listing of the tortoise in 1989, local government in the valley was challenged with ensuring protection of the tortoise under the federal ESA while allowing land development to proceed in an orderly manner.It's all about mitigation for development elsewhere. Quite simply, there's money to be made and Bundy is in the way.Public officials from Clark County and the cities of Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, Henderson, and Boulder City decided to seek a Section 10(a)(1)(B) incidental take permit under the ESA for the incidental take of desert tortoise within a portion of Las Vegas Valley.
http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/Depts/dcp/Documents/Library/Guiding%20Docs/previous/1991_ShortTermHabitatConservationPlan.pdf
Wikipedia didn’t just contort themselves. They locked the page down until April 28th. No one but “administrators” (i.e., “agitpropsters”) are allowed to change it. It’s pure 100% propaganda.
NICE snag.
Quite simply, there's money to be made by Lord Harry Reid, malevolent spawn of a retarded troll father and evil dwarf mother, and Bundy is in the way.
A very nice post, granny.
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