Posted on 04/22/2014 6:56:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Senior writer John McCormack joined Greta van Susteren's political panel Monday on Fox News to discuss the protest at the Bundy ranch in Nevada. Watch the video below:
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
Meanwhile, in this week's issue, the Scrapbook writes about the problems with Cliven Bundy's cause:
Twenty years ago, the federal government, which owns the land on which Bundy grazes his 900 cattle, decided to impose a grazing fee. Bundy opposes that fee, has consistently refused to pay it, and the federal Bureau of Land Management now claims that he owes $1 million in unpaid fees. Bundy has challenged the grazing fee in federal court—indeed, has challenged the federal government’s title to land in Nevada—and has consistently lost. Sixteen years ago, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Bundy, ordering the removal of his cattle. Bundy appealed that ruling to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, and lost again. Last August, a federal court gave Bundy 45 days to remove his cattle, and in October, a federal district judge ordered Bundy not to “physically interfere with any seizure or impoundment operation.”
This does not sound to The Scrapbook like the dread hand of tyranny, in Nevada or Washington, oppressing an innocent farmer, or pushing some law-abiding citizen around. It sounds, instead, like a rancher gaming the system to his own financial advantage, and disguising his scheme in populist rhetoric: refusing to pay a tax which others must pay, and “tying up the courts”—for two decades!—as he continues to ignore the law. Far from acting in an arbitrary or capricious manner, the federal government has shown patience and forbearance in the face of lawlessness that customarily lands people in jail. It is worth noting that Bundy’s rancher-neighbors and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association, who contend with the same federal policies, offer him little support.
Bundy has exercised his First Amendment right to plead his case publicly and inflame his admirers. And inflamed they have been: A few hundred people from around the country converged on Nye County, Nevada—many armed and brandishing weapons—to disrupt the government’s attempt to enforce the law, taunting and attacking agents dutifully carrying out the orders of a federal court. Last week, fearful of violence, the BLM suspended its roundup and withdrew from the area.
This is no victory for anyone other than Bundy and, The Scrapbook hopes, a temporary one at that. There is a term to describe the people who surround him, and it isn’t “militia.” The word is “mob.” And what this mob has practiced is not civil disobedience but armed provocation of a democratic government which has afforded Cliven Bundy every right and privilege as a citizen. One of Bundy’s supporters boasted to the press that “we were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front.” This is the same spirit that animates people who attack firemen during riots, or opposed school integration with violence in Little Rock, Arkansas. In that case, 57 years ago, President Eisenhower was obliged to send the 101st Airborne because, as he said, “mob rule cannot be allowed to override the decisions of our courts.”
What was true then remains true today. Cliven Bundy is no hero of any kind. No conservative would pick and choose the laws he intends to obey, defy the rest, and challenge the rule of democracy with guns. No hero would adopt the terrorist’s tactic of placing innocents in harm’s way. Any fool can pick up a weapon and aim at an officer of the law; the moral power of civil disobedience lies in the willingness to defer to the law and accept punishment on principle.
Why the quotes? Go with it.
Harry Reid is not a Caesar. He might LIKE to be but it ain't gonna happen. Hah, he won't even be a president.
Besides, he's a pimp! Thank you, Vito Corleone.
This country is a broken heart from being cuckholded.
Nothing is going to heal it now.
D I V O R C E is all that is left.
you are a meanie
Generational Theft Via Postfacto Laws.
Lets remember, the government can’t die, a corporation can’t die, yet a family who has lived in a location for generations has no rights.
I think ever family should have the right for protection from these tactics as long as they continue to live in the same location or in the same circumstances.
Bad analogy. BLM was using Bundy’s grazing fee’s to disposes him instead of using it to do improvements and pay wages of BLM employees. The family had been on the the Bundy allotment 150 years. The allotments were given to encourage settlement now the country reneges an use a tortoise for an excuse. Because there is a appearance that politics of senator Reid and his cronyism.
LAWYERS fight those battles. That is their job.
Obama isn't a criminal. That would take more brains and guts than he has. He's a Chicago pimp.
If Bundy had been EVEN AN IOTA of smart he would have hired attorneys to fight his land battle, when the government took his land and NOW, when the government wants grazing fees.
THAT is what lawyers do.
Guns? That will solve what?
He will need some good lawyers when this is all said and done, for HIMSELF.
I wonder if his family and friends think that this is so peachy? I wonder what effects this will have on his loved ones? Does he consider the repercussions for THEM?
I think we are in the minority, but i tend to agree with your assessment of Bundy and how he has handled this situation. I have read a lot about the history of the western states and know a few ranchers...Bundy is not typical among the ranchers I know.
I do hope this can be resolved peacefully.
What happened in China?
Tarnishing for who? The plebes who are looking for handouts? All that matters is people who love liberty have seen that the government cowers when Americans stand up to them. There’s no reason for lovers of liberty to moderate now. We don’t need to impress anyone. We have all the numbers we need.
Mind to trace the ownership of that land?
What does this mean--mind to trace the ownership?
Bundy should have lawyered up when the first land sale came up.
He should be letting the smart attorneys fight his grazing battle.
He might have won if he had done this BEFORE now.
You understand that in order to pay the grazing fees to the BLM, Bundy must sign the contract, don't you?
Once he signs the contract, he's toast.
It's as if the bank came to you with revised mortgage papers with a clause specifying your wife as a party favor for all the male bank staff.
You can't pay on your mortgage till you sign the revised mortgage papers.
What, are you a deadbeat? How come you won't sign the papers?
I call it "The Big BLM Lie".
This is the worst post I’ve ever seen on FR. I’ve seen some bad ones. You’re a Tory.
This scrap book should be relegated to the scrap heap of history.
Paragraphs are your friend... I’m not going to even try to read what you posted...
They were violent, attempted to incite violence, and threatened violence.
Hey! If it's not on the Wikipedia page, it didn't happen!
**snicker**
Wikipedia made themselves into a joke on this Bundy thing.
They contort themselves like pretzels trying to avoid acknowledging those two sentences that you wrote above.
Just reading the link name, I might ask “What happened in the Colonies?” I recently learned from some history show about the outrages that were committed against loyalists in the southern colonies, including “tar and feathering”, which is fatal, in case you don’t know.
Obama sent an army against a single American citizen (Bundy) for a civil matter. that is unconstitutional and a violation of Posse Comitatus. this is a monstrous crime of massive proportions an attack on everything this country was founded our rights, our freedom. And you support Obama and his illegal actions instead you attack the rancher.
why don't you address any of the questions I posed
What law was passed that said that a rancher had to pay $50,000 in “grazing” fees per year. government bureaucrats arbitrarily making laws and sending an army against a single American citizen for a civil matter. That is tyranny , unconstitutional and oppression. Governmennt owning 86% of Nevada. where in the Constitution is this that the federal government can OWN 86% of the land in a state . and then charge arbitrary fees as in a dictatorship. the government ran off ranchers for a radical socialist (environmentalist) agenda. That is also unconstitutional. how can you support this? Obama is the criminal violating the Constitution and Posse comittatus (by sending an army against an American citizen for a civil matter). Obama is the head of the Blm oBAMA IS the criminal . this is a crime of massive proportions that destroys all that this country was created to be , our rights, freedom , etc. and you choose to attack the rancher and support this communist/socialist evil government and these crimes of Obama. how can you support the actions of Obama and all this savage communist tyranny against a once free nation? Are you going to answer any of these points. you are a socialist/democrat imo.
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