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800 babies buried in septic tank at Irish home for unmarried mothers
AFP/Dublin/Yahoo News ^ | 06/042014 | unknown

Posted on 06/04/2014 9:51:45 PM PDT by boatbums

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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Where did you get that idea? Many protestant denominations have infant baptism.


41 posted on 06/04/2014 10:48:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: boatbums

“Thousands of unmarried pregnant women — labelled at the time as ‘fallen women’”

the hypocritical tragedy is that it is impossible to have a “fallen woman” without a “fallen man” somewhere, but THE man usually escaped serious social sanction for HIS “fall” from grace


42 posted on 06/04/2014 10:48:58 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: narses

So the local residents mow the grass at the Catholic baby dump site,, which was in use because the church refused to allow those innocents into a proper cemetery. Evil...


43 posted on 06/04/2014 10:50:35 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trinitarian Christian denominations that oppose infant baptism include the Assemblies of God, Association of Vineyard Churches, Christian and Missionary Alliance, Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee), Calvary Chapel, Community Churches, Evangelical Free Church, Baptists, Gnostic Churches, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), Christian Churches/Churches of Christ, and Churches of Christ as well as other Nondenominational Churches, International Churches of Christ, International Christian Church,[55] Foursquare Gospel Church. Church of God in Christ, Church of God of Prophecy, Grace Communion International, Anabaptists such as the Church of the Brethren, Mennonite, and Amish, Schwarzenau Brethren/German Baptists, the Seventh-day Adventist Church, some Methodists and most Pentecostals. Several nontrinitarian religious groups also oppose infant baptism, including Oneness Pentecostals, Christadelphians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, United Church of God, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints[56] and the Community of Christ.


44 posted on 06/04/2014 10:50:46 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: DesertRhino

“Evil” is what? Be specific please, since you are claiming that something is “evil”


45 posted on 06/04/2014 10:51:57 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: bramps

Not to comment on the story, just responding to a request to spin a post:

Don’t know about Ireland a hundred years ago. Priests who follow the teachings of the Church do not baptize babies of parents who are not going to practice Catholicism nor raise the child to be Catholic, as evidenced by a refusal to attend Mass regularly, for instance.

It has nothing to do with ostracism, as the parents have the choice.

The priest does not want the child to be judged Catholic if he is not going to practice Catholicism.

It goes to the belief that we are judged by what we know, and by judgment, that is God’s judgment.

The child has a chance at eternal salvation when the priest is attentive to this situation.


46 posted on 06/04/2014 10:52:12 PM PDT by stanne
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To: bramps

“That you are defending evil.”

What “evil” am I “defending” bramps?


47 posted on 06/04/2014 10:52:53 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: boatbums

Bigot is a nasty phrase, are you calling me a bigot?


48 posted on 06/04/2014 10:53:13 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: narses

Ireland was a nasty place. The Church worked hard made it more cruel. All the excuses in the world can’t explain why they dumped those innocent wretches out into, at best, a converted septic tank.

They should have has a burial in a church cemetery. But they were bigots and cruel, and so they refused.


49 posted on 06/04/2014 10:54:36 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

and when a protestant religion doesn’t baptize kids, they believe that the child’s soul is safe until the age of reason. That is when their soul needs baptism. Before then the protestants don’t think the innocent infant is hellbound, the way the romans.


50 posted on 06/04/2014 10:57:54 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: narses
You consider the LDS to be a protestant denomination? SERIOUSLY? And many you have listed there, other than the Baptists and Pentecostals are tiny groups. And I mean tiny. Gnostics? Seriously? Why didn't you list Scientology, Zoroastrians, Rastafari and Bahá’í Faith while you were at it?
51 posted on 06/04/2014 10:58:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: narses

““Evil” is what? Be specific please,,”

Dumping dead babies and kids into a sewage tank because you think they aren’t pure enough to be given a burial in a normal cemetery. If you can’t see cold hearted home-made evil there, nothing can open your eyes.


52 posted on 06/04/2014 11:01:21 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: boatbums

Those 800 babies/children had 800 missing fathers..
1600 parents, and maybe 3200 administrators..


53 posted on 06/04/2014 11:01:46 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: ansel12
Women, like my mother and my office mate, were strongly discouraged from going to college or entering the workforce. Marriage and childbearing was the one and only valid choice. Of course there were lots of women who worked anyway, in lots of cases because they had to, or told everyone to go eff themselves, but it was still strongly discouraged through shaming and threats of abandonment.

I am glad to see that women are finally waking up from the misconception that they absolutely have to have a job in order to have a meaningful life. But the previous situation where women were strongly discouraged from working, or working in menial jobs until they could snag a husband, was just as bad.

We can all point to myriad exceptions where women were successful in business, in education, in the sciences, etc. during the 50's, but the vast majority who succeeded outside the home did so against a sea of opposition.

Yes women were encouraged to fill jobs normally done by men who were fighting in WWII, but they gave those jobs back when the men returned. Labor participation for women was 34% in 1950. Now it stands at 60%. A lot of women who now can freely choose a career are choosing it over life as a homemaker. Partly this is because of a bad economy. Partly it's because since women flooded into the labor market the increased labor supply led to lower wages forcing more families to require two salaries to stay financially secure.

But mostly it's because women, like men, enjoy working and gain fulfillment in doing a good days work even if it is outside the home and doesn't involve bringing up children.

54 posted on 06/04/2014 11:04:03 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I spent too much time around fundies who made the claim that a person had to be old enough to choose baptism for him/herself.

Sorry. I forgot about all the sects that are OK with infant baptism.

55 posted on 06/04/2014 11:05:53 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

56 posted on 06/04/2014 11:06:41 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Good Lord, you need help, NOW was started in 1966 and you think the feminist movement saved Christian women from the horrors of the best decade in American history, the greatest nation ever created?

The 50s were the peak of civilization before we started our decline.


57 posted on 06/04/2014 11:07:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: narses

Are you 14?


58 posted on 06/04/2014 11:07:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: DesertRhino

So you consider burial in a Catholic cemetery superior?


59 posted on 06/04/2014 11:07:37 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: gleeaikin

It actually isn’t. Life expectancy was probably about 50 at the time and pregnancy and early infancy is dangerous. Back in the day mothers were relieved when their child reached their first birthday because infancy was the dangerous time of life.

There was measles and mumps and chicken pox. Influenza, polio, no antibiotics, no incubators, maybe even no doctors, just midwives.

People try to fit history into the present and it just doesn’t fit. My parents each lost sisters who died in childhood. 2 aunts lost infants.

Many of those bodies could have been miscarriages they would surely have buried those children too. Miscarriages still happen frequently today so just think how prevalent they were back then with less medical care and bad nutrition, not to mention the stress the women were under from being pregnant and unmarried.

It was, after all, a home for unwed mothers.


60 posted on 06/04/2014 11:07:58 PM PDT by tiki
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