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Thanks for the memories, but it's time for Christians to unite not fight
self | 3/2/2015 | two134711

Posted on 03/03/2015 12:32:27 PM PST by two134711

Thank you Free Republic for allowing me to post and vent on this site for over ten years. I am a young, married conservative woman who is trying to raise her daughter to be a fine, upstanding lady, an educated woman and a worthy wife to a decent man. Despite the stupidity of my generation (I am on the cusp of GenX and GenY) there is hope. Many young people are more prolife than ever. And at last, many others are beginning to open their eyes to the lies of socialism.

However recent events on this site like witnessing the discord between fellow believers of Christ and how the Religious moderators have given carte blanche to those who wish to spread hate is not something I want to be part of.

I received this message from the Religion Moderator regarding Key words received 03/02/2015 8:45:19 PM PST

“DO NOT use keywords to snipe at other posters or beliefs. RM”

I certainly did not post key words that sniped at anyone; they were terms such as "enough already,” “Christianity,” “unity” and "peace." Now, yes, the comments I made were invectives thrown at posters. I don't deny that; but they deserved every word directed at them and more. Outside of Caucus threads the religious forum is based on sniping at posters and insulting other's beliefs. Mostly it’s a few alleged “Evangelicals” damning those Papists, pedophiles, pagans, cracker-eaters, cannibals and Mary-worshipping heretics to Hell if they don't convert to the Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism or the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879. Then a very small contingent of Catholics tries to fight back.

These are the kind of comments are allowed on the religious forums without any moderation.

"I believe that Catholicism has caused more people to go to hell then [sic] Islam."
84 posted on 2/23/2015, 2:36:42 PM by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)

AND

**Have you accepted the Catholic Church** "I have accepted Jesus. Not some abomination created by man."
98 posted on 2/23/2015, 2:46:17 PM by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval line officer.)

I have no skin in this game other than to realize that Christians (and Jews) are not each other’s enemies. There is a much more diabolical force in this world that should be fought. Anti-theists, Islamists, secular amoralists, etc., they're nothing. But, hey, keep going after Catholics and Mormons because they're the ones ruining the world today!

I said those words because it was the truth, (a truth that many others see but do not mention; they merely avoid the conflicts). If the anti-Catholic delusional bigots have a problem with the truth, then a pox on their houses.

I have posted on and off this site for over ten years. Every time I come back here I think to myself, “Wow, FR is one of the only sites telling it like it is when it comes to politics!” But then the OCD religious posters take control over and over again. It’s not just the religious forums, but they’re the worst. In the past the moderation was far more even-handed. Now it’s out of control. Please use more judiciousness in moderating them in the future.

You are losing members left and right and your fundraisers take months to complete. I am aware that the owner of this site, Mr. Robinson, is a Catholic, and I’m sure it breaks his heart to see such infighting amongst fellow Christians. I hope his health betters and that he can continue to fight the goof fight.

Nevertheless, FR's days as a premium conservative site are over. There a quite a few decent folks around here like Mrs. Don-0, xzins, Morgana, miss marmelstein, wardaddy, that fellow named something like yefrugeturbrumuy, and lots of others. There are many good folks with diverse opinions and no malice in their hearts.

But some others seem possessed by other-world forces. Mostly they're old people scared of death, wanting to make sure they get in with God before the end, desperate to hold on to every penny they've ever come across, willing to kvetch about the future and frequently mentioning how glad they'll be when they're dead and won't have to deal with this world, while their children and grandchildren will. Or worse, they actively wish for the world to end today or soon. Sorry, I'm young enough to have a smidgen of hope despite the moral disaster this world is in.

The Apple squabbles, the griping about TV and art, heck even the "my candidate is better than your candidate" bloodletting is nothing compared to the nutters that run rampant on the religion forum.

So Religious moderator, if you thought my key words were examples of “sniping,” then I suppose this post was outright bashing. Every time I come to this site I get angry. Anger opens up the heart to dark forces; it’s best not to be part of that.

Got to go. May peace come to this once wonderful site and make it a place of harmony for future posters.


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To: Resettozero

Regarding my husband, he’s a Catholic writer for a busy-enough conservative website; and he’s also a chivalrous dude. He’s mentioned Free Republic only once in an article calling it a Christian website, and he was laughed at in that regard. He didn’t know at the time how off he was, but your commentary will seal the deal.


1,041 posted on 04/30/2015 5:14:36 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Tell your troubles to Jesus," my wisecracking father used to say, and now I do.......at adoration.)
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To: metmom; CynicalBear; Elsie; boatbums; caww; RnMomof7

Yes, I don’t mean to digress too much, but I see Fox News live here, and Greta Van Sustern just had Manny Paquiao on her program. He is a former member of a works based religion (WBR) that will remain un named, but I think you will only need about one quarter of a second to figure out which WBR he used to belong to. Anyway, Paquiao used the time to share his faith to the world. It appeared to me, that Greta felt a little uncomfortable with it, but Manny just kept right on with it. Good for him.


1,042 posted on 04/30/2015 5:18:41 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forever more endure.)
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To: mlizzy
He CAN do the job, metmom. But for women [and men] who have endured much pain in life, there's no one more beautiful to run to than Mama Mary.

Yes there is.

JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1,043 posted on 04/30/2015 5:32:16 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
I'm responsible for what I post, Mom. Me, I'm for a truce on the name-calling. It's not informative, and it's counter-productive to what could be some really interesting discussions.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary Online defines "heretic" in a factual, not insulting, manner:

Full Definition:
1 :a dissenter from established religious dogma; especially :a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church who disavows a revealed truth
2 :one who dissents from an accepted belief or doctrine :nonconformist


Now, on the other hand, very often in forum, we see Catholics referred to as being a "cult":

Full Definition:
1 :formal religious veneration :worship
2 :a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also :its body of adherents
3 :a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also :its body of adherents
4 :a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5 a :great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially :such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b :the object of such devotion
c :a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion.

Now, as to #3:
"Regarded", well, call it a matter of opinion; but "unorthodox" and especially "spurious" are not exactly flattering, now are they?

FWIW, Mom, we Catholics, as you may recall, use 1, 2, and 5 in our self-description. As regards 5, devotion to a particular saint, or to Our Lady is used as one Catholic to another as acceptable.

I include ALL of us FReepers in my daily prayers: even the ones I've never met in the RF! As to #4, well, I don't know where that applies. Lol that was a new one on me, but hey, I'm not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree! 😀

God bless you, Mom! G2G

1,044 posted on 04/30/2015 5:35:28 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Grateful2God; Utah Binger
I may not agree with what they believe, but it takes a lot of courage of conviction to go house-to house that way.

Courage??



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  156. Wear your seat belt.
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  158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
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1,045 posted on 04/30/2015 5:44:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

Yes, Jesus is perfect. But Mary understands [in a motherly way] the pains of her children; she soothes, then she sends you to God.


1,046 posted on 04/30/2015 5:44:23 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Tell your troubles to Jesus," my wisecracking father used to say, and now I do.......at adoration.)
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To: Grateful2God; Utah Binger

Courage??



 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted
 

If the above link does NOT function; try THIS one.   Click on the second image.
 
http://mormontruthnews.blogspot.com/2006/10/robert-millet-former-dean-of-religious_01.html

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

 
 
 
 
 

1,047 posted on 04/30/2015 5:45:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mlizzy
And for those who understand the tilma of Juan Diego as true, they will see that the picture ("Our Lady of Guadalupe") which was painted by God, shows Mary as not smiling, so there Ah...

It said I AM down in the lower left corner.

1,048 posted on 04/30/2015 5:46:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mlizzy
Would you say that you have a good sense of humor?

Well; I've been told I'm very funny...











looking.












1,049 posted on 04/30/2015 5:48:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mlizzy

The 98 year old Mother Superior from Ireland was dying. The nuns gathered around her bed trying to make her last journey comfortable. They gave her some warm milk to drink but she refused. Then one of the nuns took the glass back to the kitchen. Remembering a bottle of Irish whiskey received as a gift the previous Christmas, she opened and poured a generous amount into the warm milk. Back at Mother Superior’s bed, she held the glass to her lips. Mother drank a little, then a little more and before they knew it, she had drunk the whole glass down to the last drop. “Mother,” the nuns asked with earnest, “please give us some wisdom before you die.”

She raised herself up in bed and with a pious look on her face said, “Don’t sell that cow.


1,050 posted on 04/30/2015 5:49:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Resettozero

It’s a natural trait of the Political Class.


1,051 posted on 04/30/2015 5:51:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
bb has respect because she's earned it, not because she demands it.

 
 

1,052 posted on 04/30/2015 5:53:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mlizzy
 
 

1,053 posted on 04/30/2015 5:54:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: two134711
If there was ever a place in need of an exorcism, it's the FR Religion Forum.

May it be destroyed completely and utterly.
1,054 posted on 04/30/2015 5:57:36 PM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: Elsie

Haha! Great list, Elsie. Have you seen the movie, “Millions”? If you haven’t, I think you might like it. Here’s the trailer:

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3734372633

There’s a bit on Mormons in there that is hysterical too.


1,055 posted on 04/30/2015 5:58:38 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Tell your troubles to Jesus," my wisecracking father used to say, and now I do.......at adoration.)
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To: DarkSavant
May it be destroyed completely and utterly.

Nice toast.

Title of your next "novel"?
1,056 posted on 04/30/2015 6:00:52 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Grateful2God

“I believe that the heart, mind, and senses can be deceived.”

I’m going to have to go with Scripture on this one, not what I believe.

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

And

Behold, I was shaped in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Psalm 51:5

Worst think that can happen to us is for God to look into our hearts. And He will. The question is will he see my sin or am I covered by the righteousness of Jesus?


1,057 posted on 04/30/2015 6:09:56 PM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: Elsie

Yes, very good joke, Elsie. :)

We purchased some Chartreuse, made by Capuchin Monks, several months ago. It’s very pricey, so we won’t be purchasing it again, but my husband got a good deal on it. Anyway, here are the Capuchin Monks who produce the stuff. Don’t know if you’d like this movie; it’s rather slow moving, like r-e-a-l-l-y slow, but if you ever need some sort of sleep aid (and can’t afford the Chartreuse)......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgNj2Sf_mgo


1,058 posted on 04/30/2015 6:10:34 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Tell your troubles to Jesus," my wisecracking father used to say, and now I do.......at adoration.)
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To: DarkSavant
If there was ever a place in need of an exorcism, it's the FR Religion Forum. May it be destroyed completely and utterly. 

Truth be told, over the last five years there have been a handful of attempts to do just that. Coincidentally(?), the amateur exorcists have all been bitter Catholics. Not so coincidentally, none of them enjoy posting privileges any more.

1,059 posted on 04/30/2015 6:22:16 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Elsie

HEE-STERICAL, Elsie. Never seen this one before. Very funny. Thanks!


1,060 posted on 04/30/2015 6:27:52 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Tell your troubles to Jesus," my wisecracking father used to say, and now I do.......at adoration.)
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