Can You Help America?

Self ^ | 11/30/2002 | B4Ranch

[Elsie]

Some good ideas there but I don't believe Sheriffs have any power in counties outside of unincorporated areas. In other words, if the Cook County sheriff wants to do anything in Chicago he will not do it without authorization by the Chicago P.D.

Not so........

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He's a COUNTY Sheriff

He's elected - can't be 'fired'...

Police chief's are appointed - they 'rule' at the whim of the commissioners will...

A sheriff has ultimate power in his county: able to run Fed's off as well (although that ain't too wise, for they WILL be back!)

[Aliska]

Fox doesn't have an immigration problem either, does he? What would he do if the situation were reversed?

I wonder what would have happened in this country if people had as many children as nature usually allows. Just thinking out loud.

[katze]

Calling for order? Did you miss anyone? I thought I saw a thread where several were beating up on Pres Bush; maybe you need to go find that one.

Discussions that don't please you, will take place in spite of your objections.

[katze]

My concern is not Fox and his problems, and when I think about it, a country without extreme overpopulation probably wouldn't elect him anyway. I really don't know his ideology, but he behaves like a Socialist, but meant for our country, not his. If we gave him a few billion more (in addition to the many manufacturing plants they have now), it wouldn't make a bit of difference--they'd still have the same problems. He wants to get rid of his "poor" and won't rest until he does.

[hchutch]

My complaint was not with the existence of a discussion. It is with the rather ugly tone I find some people on one side of this debate are directing towards those who express disagreement with them using. Shouting down those that are expressing "politically incorrect" thoughts or opinions is a staple of the Left.

[B4Ranch]

We Need YOUR HELP!

[B4Ranch]

We Need YOUR HELP!

[justshutupandtakeit]

This is a false view circulated by the militia types and is not true at all. They have even claimed at one point that the powers of sheriffs are laid out in the Constitution. When you hear this said just ask where the word "Sheriff" is in the Constitution or better yet make a bet with them that the word is not in the Constitution. Easy money.

Counties have no power to thwart State or Federal authorities even if they are doing something stupid. In unincorporated areas of a county a sheriff might well have a lot of power but not in cities.

[Aliska]

They will have poor in Mexico, and most other places as far as that goes. The more he rids himself of them, the more will replace them, thus starting the cycle all over again.

[B4Ranch]

How much would you care to bet that the word "sheriff" isn't in state constitutions. There is no federal sheriffs, only marshalls who have comparable powers.

Be careful about how you bet. It can be expensive.

[B4Ranch]

Counties have no power to thwart State or Federal authorities even if they are doing something stupid.

BIG HORN, WYOMING -- 10/01/97 -- Wyoming sheriff tells feds to stay out

According to Sheriff Mattis, the case shows that he is legally responsible for all law enforcement activities which go on in his county. Mattis has put all federal agencies on notice that they are not to perform any law enforcement activity in his county unless he personally approves the operation in advance.

[justshutupandtakeit]

No I would not bet on State constitutions not having the word "sheriff" they may well have. We weren't talking about State constitutions, however. Illinois constitution references sheriffs as one of the office which cannot be eliminated but does not define their powers, those are established by the county boards.

You don't believe a county board's authority can override the State's or the Nation's do you? That would be the case if Sheriff's had the power our friend believes them to have.
This belief indicates a complete misunderstanding of the constitution.

[katze]

I see, so you had to call for help. ;-)

[justshutupandtakeit]

This guy can say whatever he wants but it doesn't make it so. If the State police want to do something there it can. If the feds want to do something there they can.

Do you think this blowhard could stop an investigation of something involving national security or even a bank robbery or kidnapping? Not only can he not but could actually find his ass in jail should he impede such activities.

Is he even still sheriff? My experience of most sheriffs is they are corrupt and incompetent just another politician. MOst make Sheriff Lobo look good.

[katze]

You hit the nail on the head with that one. My objection to this is somehow Fox sees the US as being responsible for those he wants to get rid of; I don't see it that way, and much of the country is beginning to view this as a growing problem, too.

Here in the Midwest we do not have the same problems as those in the border states, but I cannot understand how these affected residents can continue to fund everything from cradle to grave, if the immigrants continue to come in at the same level. Many elderly have to do without many of the services handed out to the illegals, and this is wrong; our own citizens, particularly the ones who've paid taxes for their adult working lives should be given what they need first.

If Pres Bush is trying to gain voters from the Hispanic community, I think he should be more concerned about losing the loyal Republican voters over this immigration mess.

[Aliska]

Yes, we do have a few of these problems here in the midwest.

I don't have the answers. Another point that I probably shouldn't even bring up is that it threatens to turn this country into a catholic majority, religious-wise.

Now in most respects that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, and maybe it serves the protestants right for using birth control.

I don't know but it is bothering me. We worked hard to make a good life for our children and many of us did limit the size of our families and now because others didn't they are robbing us blind. Maybe it is divine justice.

The bottom line for me is that having more children than you can afford to feed is irresponsible, if not sinful, regardless of what the powerful churchmen say. Ideally, birth control shouldn't be used but we are not living in an ideal world.

They are good people and most of them work very hard, but they are really not into education and some of the cultural things many of us have developed and held so dear, like love of art, music, going to museums, always learning, etc.

I'm sorry if that sounds prejudicial. I wish I would see evidence to the contrary and get over it as I don't want to resent them. I know some. Those that married anglos have mixed children who are doing very well educationally. As to the rest, I don't know if they put much value in higher education or anything else other than work and fun.

In fairness to them, when they do take over neighborhoods formerly occupied by middle-class whites, they seem to take good care of the property and are good citizens.

The rest of them have a macho ethic and the men are only interested in sex and macho stuff. There I said it. That's why I am prejudiced against them.

My daughter in her stupid teens had two children by a second-generation Mexican. He already had another out-of-wedlock child. He wasn't interested in much of anything that I could ever tell. He abandoned the children and one of them is lost to us through adoption. The one my daughter raised has just gotten in a scrape with the law over having sex with an 11-year-old (he's 15) and it just tears me apart. He has no drive or ambition and isn't very bright in school but he is a sweet kid. Like I said, it just tears me apart because he is my flesh and blood.

Sorry I rambled on so but I think it is one of the reasons I am upset about the whole mess.

[F16Fighter]

"I like illegal immigrants. That's right, I do...And we should spend billions and billions of dollars on efforts to close our borders? I think not."

IF you prefer anarchy and invasion to American sovereignty and law enforcement, I suggest you hitch a ride the next Euro-Charter to Brussels. There you can cry on the shoulder of one of your One-World brethren.

[Issaquahking]

We have been called upon...

[Gooseberry]

I know what I'll do to help America. Next time I cast my lot for President, I won't cast it for some clown who preaches that we open our southern border and sell-out to Mexico.

[georgiabelle]

Unlike you I have absolutely no doubts about the way I feel. You asked if God would want us to help these people. We do. We give a $hit load of money to their government every year. I would suggest they go home and take up the issue with THEIR government. You also said that their plight may be some of our fault. Are you nuts? How the----- did you arrive at that conclusion? Did we go down there and make there country what it is. No we didn’t.

As for as them being good people and hard workers. Yes , I’m sure some of them are. But they are also criminals. No matter what you say or how you try to put a spin on it , they are in this country illegally. It’s that simple. I don’t care what the reason or the thought process behind them coming here, they broke our laws.

And being here illegally and working is also criminal. Again, no matter how you spin it. They have broken into our country and are stealing from us. Just like if I broke into your home. After all I just want what you have and you certainly don’t expect me to work for it does you? The ones on welfare, food stamps, WIC and all the other freebies are stealing from the citizens.

And it doesn’t matter if you like these laws. They are the ones on the books. Those are the ones that we must make our government respect. Any way or means that we can. All the illegal immigrants should be rounded up. And yes it can be done. Not just the Mexicans but all of them.

And no more freebies. Not just to the illegals but to the legal immigrants too. If they can not make it here without the CITIZENS picking up the bill then they need to go back home. We don’t need them here. And I will not even start on the anchor babies.

You say it’s too late. No. It’s never too late. You say it would invite revolution. It wouldn’t be the first time, would it? If it means revolution or giving up MY country and MY way of life then bring it on. What are you frightened of? We would be no worse off if we lost and look at what we would gain. Our country back after the politicans and big business gave it away. Isn't that worth any sacrifice?

I think that we should all look in our hearts and find what we need to do. If your country is not worth fighting for then you are right, your counttry is not worth fighting for. My country is worth a lot to me. I will not stand idly by wringing my hands while another country takes over. No way.