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Posted on 11/30/2002 8:03:21 AM PST by B4Ranch
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Well, I've been doing a lot of thinking about the illegal aliens and the politicians whining about not having enough money, continually wanting to raise our taxes as a solution to the budget problems. Washington is sending feelers out to see if we will riot over an amnesty.
This just might be a solution. See if you like it.
Educate a couple of hundred energetic people to an idea like this one. Youngsters who feel American Patriotism is a finer character asset than national Diversity is. Yes, us patriots do obey the laws.
Then these people would need to go face to face with the residents of your lightly populated rural county and explaining how it would work and benefit them, their kids, and their grandkids. Have a website that would explain just why this is being done. Explain the costs to each individual community because of the illegal alien residency and immigration.
It is obvious that INS and the State Dept are corrupt. Attempting to correct the corruption is the wrong way to fix the problem. Asking the government to remove these illegal aliens hasn't worked so far. We need to get them to leave by themselves. Taking away public support and the jobs us Americans need will do this. Rounding up the illegals and removing them will fix the problem!!!
Get your local population educated to the idea of electing a Sheriff who will go face to face with the Federal government. He is going to need legal advice on how to do all of this. Ideally you would want local attorneys or judges to provide this advice. Hey, before you run off...the local attorneys and judges have kids and grandkids too. Not all of them are socialists.
Sheriffs are the top LEO in each County. They have been ignoring the laws we want supported. We must demand they support us. Now getting the Sheriff and County officials to go along with it, is of course another subject. Just maybe you might be able to find someone who thinks as I do, that illegal aliens are parasites in America, and they would also spread the idea amongst the citizens of your County. Then the citizens could write a petition to force the Council and Sheriff to follow their instructions.
If you have a Sheriff and local County officials of a lightly populated County with a budget deficit and the abnormal high taxes who will declare that all illegal aliens from every nation will be arrested and removed from the County in 30, 60 or 90 days the program is on it's way.
All assets not removed from the County must be assigned by the illegal alien to be sold with registered agents or they will be seized by the Sheriff and sold. These funds will be divided between the Sheriffs Office and the County budget offices for expenses.
All people employing illegal aliens will also be arrested and fined. Perhaps $5000 per employee. This would prompt employers to demand that their employees bring in birth certificates, etc. I think there is a federal law forbidding this, I'm not sure. But so what? If they won't protect America then we must do it. This also keeps the government out of our personal records any more than necessary.
The hiring of legal immigrants that have entered the US legally with the legal assistance of Immigration and Naturalization Services will of course be encouraged. Only the hiring of illegal aliens will be reason for arrest and stiff fines. It is already against the law to hire an illegal alien. These people have already broken too many of our laws for us to continue to turn our heads.
Advertizements should be placed in the newspapers of the surrounding counties to obtain legal workers for the farm, ranch, gas station and local K-Mart to replace the ones who are leaving. A local 800 number could be updated daily with jobs available in your County.
All people giving aid or care to illegal aliens would also be arrested and fined. This would include all legal aliens who have family members that are illegal aliens.
This will result in no or very few illegal aliens going to the local hospitals for medical attention. The hospital will start making money again instead of heading into bankruptcy.
This will also bring welfare for illegal aliens to a screeching halt. This alone will do much for your local budget and taxes.
School districts would require much less money because the new residents in the county would certainly be more able to speak English. I think schools already check for birth certificates and medical history. They currently conceal from the INS who is an illegal student or school employee.
Imagine what that would do to surrounding Counties with similar budget deficits. Would the residents agree to more taxes or would they say get the lawbreakers out of here?
Do you think it might convince the State officials when enough Counties have adopted these measures that we citizens are serious in our desire to protect our communities from being over run by illegal aliens? Would this prompt them to follow our guidance and issue state laws that demand the law enforcement agencies to enforce ALL the laws or their budgets get cut?
I think half a dozen community residents that are involved in the legal system and the business community could work out what to do to make an idea similar to this work in your community.
For the legal minded folks I have included a statement from one of the cases that made it through the Supreme Court. Unless there are State laws forbidding such actions as I have suggested, I think everything legally is above the table. A local judge could give the Sheriff advice on how to handle the little tweak of the laws.
"The federal Gov't may neither issue directives requiring the States to address particular problems, nor command State' officers, or those of their political subdivisions, to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program. It matters not whether policy making is involved, and no case by case weighing of the burdens or benefits is necessary; such commands are fundamentally incompatible with our constitutional system of dual sovereignty."
Justice Antonin Scalia, Mack vs US., June 27, 1997
The way I see it is that given the opportunity and enough notice to move their families safely, the illegal aliens would pack up and leave rather than fight a Sheriff who is broadcasting that just because the Feds aren't going to enforce the immigration laws, doesn't mean he isn't.
Employers would rather make a company policy that all employees must prove that they are American citizens or in the United States legally than be fined $5000 per employee for supporting open border policy.
Give employers a chance to advertise for critical employees who are currently illegal aliens so their businesses don't suffer a drastic skill shortage.
Just as an add on, I imagine that the local crime rates would be continually dropping until it again reached an acceptable level.
Surrounding rural counties would surely catch on quickly to the benefits and start similar programs. All it would take is one newspaper article about their city council needing money for some more public services. There is much more rural county land in the US than cities in county land, that's why I am promoting a rural county to start with.
The residents are more apt to be on a handshake basis with their elected official than residents of large cities are. I think that it wouldn't take too long before cities would simply not be able to afford to support all the illegals who are on taxpayer paid benefits. Consequently, like it or not they would have to fall in line.
I have no idea how fast an idea such as this would spread and actually take firm hold causing neighboring state legislators to look at the idea BEFORE their state was swamped with illegal aliens and the taxpayers rose up demanding immediate solutions. The crime rate amongst illegals is very high as it is. A plan such a this could send it through the ceiling, so caution would be advised on initiating it in a city. Vandalism and riots would probably occur in some areas, so the Governor would need to be ready with the State National Guard Units.
This could be dangerous because it could foster hate and anger. Too much anger would result in radicals bringing out their guns chasing the illegals out of their neighborhoods. We have seen gang wars and the resulting violence, this could be worse. So, it will have to be a slow, calm, well organized plan in each county!
Our intention is to bring the population of our neighborhoods into patriotic, law abiding folks not to be ravaged by foreigners who have nowhere to go. Eventually, I can see where states would have to cough up the funds and or transportation for the people to get back to Norway, Brazil, Australia, Japan and China.
The first States to do this emigration plan will encounter the least expenses. Of course I would expect it to happen, if it ever does, in Western States.
If we continue to allow to let the Feds handle it, they will continue to dilly dally around like they been doing and the problem will never be solved. So, the way I see this, the STATES are going to have to stand up after too many years on our knees to the self promoting, egotistical big shots in the Federal Legislature and the Federal Agencies. We need to show them that we'll fix the problem ourselves. Imagine if our citizens brought a halt to Agenda 21, that would set the United Nations on its rear end!!
Notice the direction of travel in this definition.
\Em`i*gra"tion\, n. [L. emigratio: cf. F. ['e]migration.] 1. The act of emigrating; removal from one country or state to another, for the purpose of residence, as from Europe to America, or, in America, from the Atlantic States to the Western.
Lets change the worlds idea of where to emigrate from and to! We have given education and work experience to millions of illegal aliens. Now lets give them a chance to see if they can do it for themselves back home!!!
If you think this might work, phone some local friends to see what they think of it.
Why not email other friends with this idea and see if we can't get it started. Of course there will surely need to be modifications to initialize it and perhaps different ideas to promote it. Each County is slightly different and we don't want extreme radicals promoting it or else it will surely sink into oblivion.
Here's another piece to look at. http://www.fairus.org/html/04176912.htm
It is just that I have seen efforts made to prosecute companies who hire them, and they have failed, for the most part.
The lawyers simply say that the company was not aware of the violation. It just does not work by itself. These regs however, do need to be enforced.
One necessary step is to dump the RINOs who facilitate this illegal invasion.
I did my part by helping rid the Senate of Spencer Abraham from Michigan.
Unfortunately, Dubya made him Energy Secretary.
So instead of developing a sensible Energy Policy, Spence is now out promoting hydrogen automobiles.
A clear message has GOT to be sent to the so-called GOP "leadership" to get it to penetrate their thick skulls.
Yes, but the reality is that the police chiefs and Sheriffs, along with the judges and prosecutor's are elected!
They protect their contributers.
This is unfortunately the reality.
This could snow ball if we get behind it and push!"
Unfortunately, we have a snowball's chance in hell of rescinding a decision that was made way back in 1965 and upheld by Dubya Bush today -- an immigration policy specifically designed to flood America with non-Westerners and dilute it and our traditions with that of any OTHER ethnicity or Third Worldism. ANY lack of eventual cultural or alligiance consolidation toward "Americanism" has NOT been any deterent to altering this kind of massive immigration -- BOTH legal and illegal. No, NONE of our legislators will EVER pull the plug...
What seems to be the ONLY reason?...
...Call me a conspiracy nut, but it suits the purpose of the Anti-National Sovereignty, New World Order/One World Government agenda...
It's ALL about power folks, and we have been SOLD OUT.
$1,000 upfront would save billions over time. Just my two cents.
But THEY (they being the powers that be) DON'T WANT TO STOP IT!!! The illegals, that is.
WE have to make them want to stop it, but there aren't enough WE's because the people who have the power don't have to live with it. The people who have the power are totally out of touch with real life in this country!!!
It isn't only illegal immigration. There are two many legals here who have stolen our childrens' heritage and opportunities because we have allowed this to happen.
The decline in the family and morality, fostered the liberals, is the biggest single contributing factor to the ruination of our country. Until that is checked, nothing will work other than creating an illusion that all is well by showing us pictures on tv of our multi-cultural utopia (which is an illusion).
They aren't showing pictures on tv of all the boarded up, empty business shells and homes that are scattered throughout the entire country.
The trouble is, by the time the media get's through demonizing him, the voters will have a hard time differentiating between he and your average Reichsfuehrer.
I believe they are quietly doing exactly that. Not fast enough, IMHO!
Reports from some FReepers in Florida and other parts, indicate a noticable reduction of foreign faces in some stores and businesses.
California, is the exception, not the norm.
We differ greatly on this point.
What happened to personal responsibility!
Do not include me in the blame game and hand wringing self criticism.
Freedom also means freedom to screw up!
Your idea pre-supposes that those in power that would be handing out the $1000 bills WANT to do anything about it.
WE don't need to change...THEY do. Or they need to be changed.
The group could keep a database of businesses who break the law and how the INS and other law enforcement agencies reacted when notified of the crimes. It would keep track of how the business-owners reacted to questions, video-taping, or whatever. It would include video clips of the group's encounters with the worst offenders.
The controversy that this group would generate could be used to get the message out and pressure the Federal Government to start enforcing their immigration and hiring laws again. If done right - and I emphasize that - it could succeed. The trouble is, it would have to be made up of people with NO skeletons in their closets, no neo-nazi or racist friends or whatever, nothing that would be used to change the perceived message of the group from immigration reform to racism.
First, understanding the problem of labor markets in the US means understanding the interrelationship between, and the interaction of, labor markets with other aspects of the US economy. This understanding is far more complex than suggested in the summary that "all good paying jobs are moving overseas" and America is left with only low paying, low skill jobs. While this may be true for some sectors of industry (particularly with respect to assembly type manufacturing functions), one must take into account American productivity gains and the value of an educated and skilled American workforce. During the 1990s, for example, several foreign car makers from Europe and Japan expanded their manufacturing operations in the US. There are many reasons these companies chose this strategy, including the desire to increase their market share, and to limit their exposure to duties and import fees. However, chief among the reasons these foreign firms moved to the US is because American workers are more productive than their counterparts in Europe or Japan. The point here is that where it comes to manufacturing, the US is not all downside, even though a lot of less-sophisticated manufacturing has moved offshore.
Part of the problem leading to the move of US operations offshore is found in taxation, regulation, and the structure of international trade arrangements. This leads to my second point - that being, the ideas wrapped up in the defeatist attitude, while understandable, do not represent insuperable obstacles to the continued growth and development of the US economy, or to the solution to the problem of illegal immigration. The manufacturing base has left America, and America's successful families (i.e., the one-percent or truly wealthy) are leaving our country because they are being taxed to the point of theft and regulated to the point of harassment. This has become such a problem (i.e., the wealthiest of Americans packing it in for more hospitable climes) that Congress recently enacted legislation to try to discourage people from doing this by making them liable for taxes over ten year period after they have left the country and renounced their citizenship.
America has become inhospitable to the wealthy, to the producers of society, because America is gripped by a form of socialism that comes with it heavy taxation, heavy regulation, disincentives for business, and an anti-business, anti-corporate climate engendered by class politics reminiscent of Marxist orthodoxy. (BTW, I have in the recent past, commented on the state of socialism in America in a post explaining that America's brand of socialism is a.k.a. corporatism.) What makes the problem worse is that politicians use the concept of freedom to conceal their socialist tendencies. The politicians have been so good at concealing socialism in this country by calling it another name, that most Americans, and most people on this forum for that matter, would never even consider our country to be socialist.
This leads to the second issue related to the defeatist attitude expressed by those like Aliska. The defeatist attitude where it comes to illegal immigration stems, in part, from the fact that the problem is multi-dimensional and is rooted in the socialist policies of our government. American socialism stems from the corruption of our political system whereby socialism in our country, while originally an effort solely undertaken by the Democrats, has taken off, as both Democrats and Republicans use their power to muster favor with special interests in the effort to build constituencies and garner votes. It matters little which party individual politicians align themselves, the goal is the same, their re-election and retention of power.
The problem our country faces with respect to illegal immigration is directly related to the advancement of socialism on our shores. Any solution to the illegal immigration problem needs to address the grip that socialism currently has upon our government, economy, and culture.
What can we do?
1) We must recognize what is, and what has been, happening to our country with respect to the rise of socialism in America during the 20th Century.
2) We must vociferously demand tax reduction, reform of the tax system, deregulation, and the restoration of property rights.
3) We must bring an end to the effectiveness of class warfare in politics with the inculcation of the American Dream and the American way of life based on the supremacy of the individual and individual rights, self-reliance, personal responsibility, independence, and freedom.
4) We must advocate adherence to the limitations placed upon government by the Constitution, and we must do so by holding politicians accountable, both in terms of elections and in public relations, when they demonstrate their contempt for the Constitution.
5) We must seek out and elect better leaders by effectively changing the political discourse and taking command of the terms of political debate and the ground upon which political debate occurs.
6) Finally, we must dismantle the welfare state and the government largess of socialism by advocating and promoting the very real and honest truth that alternatives to government exist. We don't need big government, subsidies, tax breaks, and the sanction of the political elite where it comes to addressing the regulation of the market economy and other social problems that make up the bulk of our everyday life experience.
The task before us to preserve and ameliorate our ailing Republic is formidable. And because of the complexity of related issues, the problem of illegal immigration must be addressed by taking a view of the bigger picture as described above. That being said, while understandable in terms of of its origin, the defeatism expressed by the likes of Aliska must be rejected. America is an idea, and it is an idea steeped in optimism of the sort espoused and bestowed unto us by Ronald Reagan . The American ideals of self-reliance, rugged-individualism, and equal opportunity for all, each sell themselves.
The country is in a quagmire in part because too many people now look to the government for the answers to all their problems, and we are over-regulated (in business and in petty things like smoking, seat belt laws, cell phone use, etc.). Government at all levels in this country make somewhere in the ballpark of 86,000 laws and regulations per year. How much regulation do we need from government? How did we ever make it this far without these regulations? Unfortunately, very few, if any, of these regulations actually addresses a public good - almost every law enacted is done so at the behest of, or to the benefit of, some special interest.
This sad state of affairs can change, and it must change if we are to succeed and thrive as a free nation in an increasingly competitive and hostile world. We must recognize that while the task is great, and the risks associated with failure are high, we can and must make a difference. It's what political movement is all about, and we have the best incentives, motives, and ideas behind us.
God Bless America!
Nice agenda you've outlined -- clear, concise, makes all the sense in the world while preserving the Republic the way it ought be preserved...BUT...
The only problem is sovereign America has already given over the reigns to the One Worlders. Yep -- done-deal.
Is there any MORE proof that we've been sold out than the selection and ascendency of Bill Clinton -- BILL CLINTON to run the United States of America?? And for TWO terms.
I rest my case....
I commend you on your insightful post.
418 Cannon HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Some see the Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act as a double-edged sword. As WorldNetDaily reported, the chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., opposed an amnesty proposal attached to the border-security bill. The proposal extends Section 245(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, "which permits illegal immigrants to remain in the U.S. without receiving a State Department background check from their home country," Tancredo said in a statement. It also allows illegal immigrants to receive legal permanent residency or a valid green card, by filing a declaration with the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
On the Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor" yesterday, Tancredo lamented the same barriers still exist, "No one [on Capitol Hill] wants to touch the immigration issue. On the Democratic side, mass immigrants mean massive votes. And Republicans don't want to lose cheap labor."
"I don't like to be negative," Camarota said, "but it's going to take another attack to get our attention and move discourse along."
Griswold warns, "We should post a yield sign on the Statue of Liberty, but never a stop sign."
Lawmaker fights Bush amnesty plan
Is Mexico 'reconquering' U.S. southwest?
That is affirmative and with V. Fox's approval! There is an organization hard at work around the world trying to remove all borders, especially here in North America. I have lost the name, is anyone else aware of this group?
This means no pings etc.
How about you?
How is that done when even the employers often don't know due to forged documents? And how do you get access to the employment records? This part of your plan is not feasable.
When you start feeling all your efforts are in vain, just think back to how these threads went even 3 years ago!!
Thanks to you (and all of us) for the continued passion to save America and our National Sovereignty.
Hey now, I just popped in a few minutes ago :) Btw, thanks for the ping, I'm still reading the thread. I'd like to see more info on Tancredo. Yes I'm sure if he does run for anything he'll be Buchananized...
No, what we need is a federal level legislator who will work to pass a law placing a bounty for the arrest and conviction of illegals. Mexican, Chinese, Russian, Hatian, you name it!
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