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Refuting Darwinism, point by point
WorldNetDaily,com ^ | 1-11-03 | Interview of James Perloff

Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar

EVOLUTION WATCH Refuting Darwinism, point by point Author's new book presents case against theory in just 83 pages

Posted: January 11, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: In 1999, author James Perloff wrote the popular "Tornado in a Junkyard," which summarizes much of the evidence against evolution and is considered one of the most understandable (while still scientifically accurate) books on the subject. Recently, WND talked with Perloff about his new book, "The Case Against Darwin."

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages – and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of Tornado to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn't likely to pick up anything that's 321 pages long.

Q: And not just state legislators.

A: Right. We live in an age when parents often don't have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

Q: So what's the focus of this book?

A: I've divided it into three chapters. The first is called "Is Darwin's Theory Relevant to Our Lives?" In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter.

Q: You, yourself, were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

A: That's right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, the atheist Boy Scout who's been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

Q: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

A: First, it's taught as "scientific fact." When kids hear "scientific fact," they think "truth." Who wants to go against truth? Second, it's the only viewpoint that's taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the '60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It's like going to a courtroom – if you only heard the prosecutor's summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant's attorney, you'd think "innocent." The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven't been getting it on the subject of origins.

Q: OK, then what?

A: The second chapter is "Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution." Let's face it, no matter what Darwinism's social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

Q: In a nutshell – if that's possible – what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

A: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations – long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change – are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information – even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book "Not By Chance."

Q: What else?

A: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, "irreducibly complex," meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book "Darwin's Black Box." And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

Q: What is a transitional form?

A: Darwin's theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin's theory to be true.

Q: Are there?

A: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there's the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided – you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don't see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question: Why aren't these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren't invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren't fish growing little legs and so forth?

Q: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

A: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That's why you hear of the "Cambrian explosion." And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin's theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil – this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

Q: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

A: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

The last chapter is "Re-evaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory" of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

Q: What evidences have been discredited?

A: Ernst Haeckel's comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with "vestigial structures" from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with "monkey tails." These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

Q: You mentioned assumptions as proofs.

A: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called "microevolution" – minor adaptive changes within a type of animal – is extrapolated as evidence for "macroevolution" – the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn't mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

Q: You covered a lot of this ground in "Tornado in a Junkyard." Can readers expect something new from "The Case Against Darwin"?

A: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you've read "Tornado," or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What's new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high-school student to share with his science teacher.

"The Case Against Darwin" by James Perloff is available from ShopNetDaily.


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To: gore3000
Evolution is a materialist philosophy.

Evolution is a theory used to explain the current diversity of species on the planet. It is not a 'philosophy'. Any philosophy derived from a scientific theory is not a part of that scientific theory. You are a liar for claiming otherwise.

Show me that evolution allows for and/or welcomes divine intervention.

No theory in science welcomes divine intervention, because the divine is outside of the realm of science. Evolution does not, however, rule out the possibility of any divine intervention, and it cannot because divine intervention is outside of the realm of science.

Evolution theory does not claim that a divine agent did not create the first life forms, nor does it claim that a divine agent does not guide mutations. That you do not believe this to be the case does not rule out the possibility. All science is silent on the existence of the divine.
141 posted on 01/12/2003 6:32:38 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: gore3000
In fact I can and do deny Perloff's implicit claim that evolution and creation are mutually exclusive

You can deny it, but you cannot back it up. However, I can back up his statements

Well then why in the $&*(@# don't you?! How absolutely typical that nothing you posted had a damned thing to do with the question of whether evolution and creation are mutually exclusive and mutually exhaustive possibilities. Why don't you try to defend that?

The rest we've gone over before. Once again the fact (which I was quite aware of, and have acknowledged all along) that Darwin eventually abandoned his belief in Christianity (which he still held, however, when he first forumlated his theory) is irrelevant. Being a non-Christian is NOT equivalent to being an "atheist".

I'm also quite aware of Darwin's circumspection regarding public airing of his religious beliefs. It is entirely YOUR eccentricity to deny Darwin any right of privacy or reserve in this matter, and therefore brand him as "dishonest." It is crystal clear who the "dishonest" party is here.

I will grant, as I always have, that part of the reason Darwin was reluctant (on most, but not all occassions) to air his more skeptical religious views was to protect his reputation as a gentlemen, but there were other reasons as well, including to protect others. I don't mean just his family (esp his wife and sisters who were devout) though that was part of it. In truth Darwin was a mild-mannered type who disliked controversy, and didn't want to gratuitously oppress the religious views of others.

There is also the fact that Darwin, though he had his opinions, did not consider them to be authoritative. He tended to consider questions of ultimate origin, of the relationship between God and the world, and the like, to be, in all probability, insoluble. He certainly did not believe that he had solved them. Why then should he make make public pronouncements on matters that he himself considered to be little better than a muddle? Here are some of his comments along this line (from an 1860 letter to the American botanist Asa Gray with whom he often discussed these issues). Emphasis added:

With respect to the theological view of the question. This is always painful to me. I am bewildered. I had no intention to write atheistically. But I own that I cannot see as plainly as others do, and as I should wish to do, evidence of design and beneficence on all sides of us. There seems to me too much misery in the world. [examples snipped] On the other hand, I cannot anyhow be contented to view this wonderful universe, and especially the nature of man, and to conclude that everything is the result of brute force. I am inclined to look at every thing as resulting from designed laws, with the details, whether good or bad, left to the working out of what we may call chance. Not that this notion at all satisfies me. I feel most deeply that the whole subject is too profound for the human intellect. A dog might as well speculate on the mind of Newton. Let each man hope and believe what he can. Certainly I agree with you that my views are not at all necessarily atheistical. The lightning kills a man, whether a good one or bad one, owing to the excessively complex action of natural laws. A child (who may turn out an idiot) is born by the action of even more complex laws, and I can see no reason why a man, or other animal, may not have been aboriginally produced by other laws, and that all these laws may have been expressly designed by an omniscient Creator, who foresaw every future event and consequence. But the more I think the more bewildered I become; as indeed I probably have shown by this letter.

(If you want to read the full letter, click here and search for "remittance of 22 pounds".)

On the other hand Darwin did express his religious skepticism on a number of occasions, while still making it clear that he did not seek or wish to convince others. Here is a passage from Life and Letters (by his son Francis) that quotes from some of his correspondence with those inquiring about his religious beliefs. The emphasis again is mine:

Again in 1879 he was applied to by a German student, in a similar manner. The letter was answered by a member of my father's family, who wrote:—

"Mr. Darwin begs me to say that he receives so many letters, that he cannot answer them all.

"He considers that the theory of Evolution is quite compatible with the belief in a God; but that you must remember that different persons have different definitions of what they mean by God."

This, however, did not satisfy the German youth, who again wrote to my father, and received from him the following reply:—

"I am much engaged, an old man, and out of health, and I cannot spare time to answer your questions fully,—nor indeed can they be answered. Science has nothing to do with Christ, except in so far as the habit of scientific research makes a man cautious in admitting evidence. For myself, I do not believe that there ever has been any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities."


142 posted on 01/12/2003 6:39:46 PM PST by Stultis
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To: gore3000
As to Asa Gray and Dana, they were not even close to being major promoters of evolution.

[rolling eyes and reaching for aspirin]

143 posted on 01/12/2003 6:43:53 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Dimensio
Yes, of course. I also think some atheists have a belief of God inside that they just haven't realized yet.
144 posted on 01/12/2003 6:49:13 PM PST by fabian
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To: fabian
I also think some atheists have a belief of God inside that they just haven't realized yet.

To which "God" do you refer? You need to be specific, because to an atheist there is no one 'god' that is more real than the thousands of others worshipped in human history.
145 posted on 01/12/2003 6:55:24 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: PatrickHenry; gore3000
It doesn't really matter.

Of course it doesn't matter. If Darwin climbed to the bell tower of the local church every morning and preached atheism from a bullhorn, that wouldn't go one whit toward demonstrating that evolution was atheistic. But then you can't tell that to gore. That creature lives and breathes the genetic fallacy, and any number of others. I'm just trying to correct a few historical facts along the way.

Thanks though, as I did mean to make that point, but forgot.

146 posted on 01/12/2003 7:07:41 PM PST by Stultis
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To: rmmcdaniell
"If genes were rocks then you would be correct."

Creationists believe that the information in genes was put there. You seem to believe the wet rock struck by a lightning bolt put the information in the genes.hmmmm?

"If it is so impossible how is a single fertilized egg cell able to develop into a vastly more complex adult human?"

It is amazing how a single fertilized egg cell does contain all of the information to grow into an adult human. DNA!! Clearly placed there by GOD!! Not a spoiled rock. hmmm?


147 posted on 01/12/2003 7:08:06 PM PST by bondserv
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To: Dimensio
The God of creation, who put together all of the incredible complexities of life. Someone had to design it all. I mean if you look at say a watch, which is alot simpler than our bodies, you know someone had to make it.
148 posted on 01/12/2003 7:17:00 PM PST by fabian
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To: bondserv
You seem to believe the wet rock struck by a lightning bolt put the information in the genes.hmmmm?

Can you please point to the part of my post that said that? No you can't. This is a complete lie and I will ignore any further moronic drivel coming from you.

149 posted on 01/12/2003 7:25:12 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: fabian
I mean if you look at say a watch, which is alot simpler than our bodies, you know someone had to make it.

Cool argument. Never heard it before. But I know what you mean. When I contemplate the human digestive system, from esophagus to colon, yeah, wow, I get all shaky with the wonder of it all. What a design! Neato!

150 posted on 01/12/2003 7:25:14 PM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy!)
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To: Dimensio
OHH, you must have cleaned his clock royally, he is really PISSED at you!!
151 posted on 01/12/2003 7:44:38 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: rmmcdaniell
Most science text books, which you clearly cited as your resource material, explain that evolution began with energy and elements combining to form proteins. I was merely taking your reference to rocks in your post to represent the elements described in the science textbooks. A lightning bolt representing the energy.

So I feel comfortable that you are correct that you did not say wet rocks and lightning bolts, but I have seen it described this way in science books, so I was indirectly referring to your post in a sense.

Sorry for the mishap. I do sincerly hope that you will continue to respond to my posts.
152 posted on 01/12/2003 7:48:42 PM PST by bondserv
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To: Dimensio
Do what we do, ignore the Blueman, his strawmen are continually brought up again and again. His statements are the same wheever he goes. He has a little talking point book and then changes them a little to fit the context.

Same old, same old.
153 posted on 01/12/2003 7:54:17 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: gore3000
Oh come now G3K, have you no imagination at all?

I find that question rather easy to answer.

Those that lay eggs, have a hard time making sure that they reproduce, therefore they produce lots of them, 2-150 at a time, why? because they have to leave them in order to forage.

Those that were able to KEEP the egg with them were more likely to survive, therefore, you evolve the position of keeping the egg in the body, this keeps it warm until it is ready to hatch etc, it's in the body, well it no longer needs a shell to protect, the mothers body now protects it, so those that continued to evolve lost the shell, but kept the amniotic sack, well, the egg no longer needs the white of the egg any more because a form of nurishment is already there, so a way to get that nourishment evolves, you get the placenta, to take those nutirients directly from the mother bloodstream and transfer them to the babies bloodstream, therefore keeping it alive.

From the egg to the internal through evolution, yet they are able to continue to reproduce until it has slowly evolved into what it is today. Problem is, that when you gestate internally, the baby is born small, and must be helped far longer then a bird or other egg layer, so what you have gained in survival, you have lost a bit in the fact that you must now invest a greater amount of time in the baby in order to get it to adult hood.

Imagination is all you need G3K, and it is obvious that you don't have any.
154 posted on 01/12/2003 8:04:43 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: RadioAstronomer
RA!! How are you? seen anything exciting and new out in the cosmos?

Good to see you!!
155 posted on 01/12/2003 8:10:06 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: gore3000
The Asa Gray Link doesn't support your claims.
156 posted on 01/12/2003 8:10:39 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (The Pentagon is the largest brass container in the world.)
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To: Puck from Michigan
The problem is that it is never the truth - same old misinterpretations of basic science, same refusal to listen to people who know what they are talking about, etc. How many more times do I have listen to people botch thermodynamics or information theory?
157 posted on 01/12/2003 8:10:51 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: All
gore3000: It is also interesting that aside from insults, you and your friends have nothing to say to show that evolution is not atheistic.

Makes an interesting juxtaposition, does it not, with this post over here? It causes one to wonder just how many standards we should expect to see enforced...

158 posted on 01/12/2003 8:18:34 PM PST by Condorman (Creationism: Listening to reason with fingers in your ears)
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To: All

159 posted on 01/12/2003 8:21:50 PM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: Condorman
Yes, isn't that interesting........

But not at all surprising...
160 posted on 01/12/2003 8:22:29 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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