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Refuting Darwinism, point by point
WorldNetDaily,com ^ | 1-11-03 | Interview of James Perloff

Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar

EVOLUTION WATCH Refuting Darwinism, point by point Author's new book presents case against theory in just 83 pages

Posted: January 11, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: In 1999, author James Perloff wrote the popular "Tornado in a Junkyard," which summarizes much of the evidence against evolution and is considered one of the most understandable (while still scientifically accurate) books on the subject. Recently, WND talked with Perloff about his new book, "The Case Against Darwin."

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages – and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of Tornado to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn't likely to pick up anything that's 321 pages long.

Q: And not just state legislators.

A: Right. We live in an age when parents often don't have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

Q: So what's the focus of this book?

A: I've divided it into three chapters. The first is called "Is Darwin's Theory Relevant to Our Lives?" In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter.

Q: You, yourself, were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

A: That's right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, the atheist Boy Scout who's been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

Q: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

A: First, it's taught as "scientific fact." When kids hear "scientific fact," they think "truth." Who wants to go against truth? Second, it's the only viewpoint that's taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the '60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It's like going to a courtroom – if you only heard the prosecutor's summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant's attorney, you'd think "innocent." The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven't been getting it on the subject of origins.

Q: OK, then what?

A: The second chapter is "Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution." Let's face it, no matter what Darwinism's social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

Q: In a nutshell – if that's possible – what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

A: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations – long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change – are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information – even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book "Not By Chance."

Q: What else?

A: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, "irreducibly complex," meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book "Darwin's Black Box." And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

Q: What is a transitional form?

A: Darwin's theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin's theory to be true.

Q: Are there?

A: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there's the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided – you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don't see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question: Why aren't these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren't invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren't fish growing little legs and so forth?

Q: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

A: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That's why you hear of the "Cambrian explosion." And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin's theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil – this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

Q: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

A: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

The last chapter is "Re-evaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory" of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

Q: What evidences have been discredited?

A: Ernst Haeckel's comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with "vestigial structures" from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with "monkey tails." These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

Q: You mentioned assumptions as proofs.

A: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called "microevolution" – minor adaptive changes within a type of animal – is extrapolated as evidence for "macroevolution" – the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn't mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

Q: You covered a lot of this ground in "Tornado in a Junkyard." Can readers expect something new from "The Case Against Darwin"?

A: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you've read "Tornado," or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What's new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high-school student to share with his science teacher.

"The Case Against Darwin" by James Perloff is available from ShopNetDaily.


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To: metacognative
You Establishment Religion Darwinites can explain how an egg physico-chemically develops into a mature organism! Then maybe you call the Evolutionary Egg "God"? Your religion makes no sense.

This could be interesting. What are you saying about the process of development? Are you suggesting that divine interventions are involved? Does the embryological development of a human being, for instance, require such interventions?

61 posted on 01/12/2003 11:17:14 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Phaedrus
In a few words, the fossil record is full of gaps, more today than ever before, not transitional forms;

The claim that there are no transitional forms is so thorougly discredited that the claim can only be considered an outright lie. As for 'gaps', well, yes there are more gaps. The difference is that while before there were lots of really big gaps, now there are much smaller ones. Of course, Creationists insist that unless a fossil is found for every single 'intermediate' form between one species and another, evolution is falsified. Nevermind that fossilization isn't that common.

that it is species remain stable over millions of years,

Really? You've observed species for millions of years at a time to test this?

i.e. they exhibit stasis, not change; no credible mechanism of change, none, has been found.

No mechanism for change? If you're going to use faulty arguments, at least resort to something other than outright lies.

As to this latter, the Evolutionists have even tried "chance", which is flat ludicrous. Science is supposed to explain. Chance explains nothing. And on and on ...

I'm not sure what this means? "Chance", if anything, would only refer to changes in an environment which would allow for some organisms to survive based upon their genetic traits while others die off, but you've phrased it so vaguely that I can only assume that you really don't know what you're talking about.
62 posted on 01/12/2003 11:18:05 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: f.Christian
These were the Classical liberals...

Darwin, like most 19th Century evolutionists after him, was a classical liberal. The political party he belonged to, the Whigs, is the one that gave rise to the Republican party in America. (Lincoln, born on the same day as Darwin, was also a Whig.)

Conversely, many opponents of evolution were classical conservatives. They were suspicious of free enterprise, aghast at social mobility (and abolitionism), and wanted to maintain the priveleges of the (established) clergy and aristocracy. Some of the strongest denunciations of Darwin and evolution were published in Tory journals.

63 posted on 01/12/2003 11:33:22 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Condorman
This placemarker is umop-apisdn.
64 posted on 01/12/2003 11:35:02 AM PST by Condorman (Zen monk to the hotdog vendor: "Make me one with everything")
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To: Dimensio
Actually I didn't say that, I know some liberals believe in God. But government programs are more needed as people fall away from their faith.
65 posted on 01/12/2003 11:39:45 AM PST by fabian
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To: Stultis
The evolutionist ' libertarian' mind set is so anti - God // science . . .

they just run to every czar // gulag camp // school - - -

looking for freedom from from reality(God // science // truth) ! ! !

Lemmings // drones // evobotniks // slaves ! ! !
66 posted on 01/12/2003 11:42:01 AM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: Stultis
You Darwinite fanatics are are talking about God and "Divine interventions" Can we stick with real science about what we can explain? And not invent 'just so' stories about waht we wish had happened between the algae and the ecosystem.
67 posted on 01/12/2003 11:45:38 AM PST by metacognative
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To: Stultis
Conversely, many opponents of evolution were classical conservatives. They were suspicious of free enterprise, aghast at social mobility (and abolitionism), and wanted to maintain the priveleges of the (established) clergy and aristocracy. Some of the strongest denunciations of Darwin and evolution were published in Tory journals.

This might have been the case - - - true in England . . . but not America // the opposite ! ! !

68 posted on 01/12/2003 11:46:26 AM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: fabian
You say that some liberals believe in God. Are you willing to accept that not every atheist is a liberal, though?
69 posted on 01/12/2003 11:54:48 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: metacognative
You Darwinite fanatics are are talking about God and "Divine interventions" Can we stick with real science about what we can explain? And not invent 'just so' stories about waht we wish had happened between the algae and the ecosystem.

From the article:

"But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter."

The article brings up God first. Pretending that those opposing the article started the god-talk is pure dishonesty.
70 posted on 01/12/2003 11:56:32 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
The claim that there are no transitional forms is so thorougly discredited that the claim can only be considered an outright lie.

Look who's calling me a liar. Buzz off, Dimensio. We've had our words before and you would just again lose the debate.

71 posted on 01/12/2003 11:56:48 AM PST by Phaedrus
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To: fabian
Mussel Glue
72 posted on 01/12/2003 11:58:14 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Dimensio
... while before there were lots of really big gaps, now there are much smaller ones.

Yes, the gaps that remain are what's left after several large gaps have been plugged. Each time a transitional fossil is found, and there have been many, the creationists are backed into a smaller and smaller corner.

The biggest -- and to me the best -- example is the hoary old claim of the creationists: "You haven't found the missing link!" This is important for two reasons: (a) creationists made their one big prediction that no intermediate (sub-human) species existed; and (b) evolution predicted that such must have existed, and that perhaps one day their fossils would be found. A perfect setup for the creationists to test their "scientific" theory.

But now that this one crucial cornerstone of creationism has been shattered (i.e. special creation of man with no intermediate species), they still won't give up. They never do; they never will. Prominent Hominid Fossils.

73 posted on 01/12/2003 12:02:32 PM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy!)
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To: DWar
In nature, it is scientifically impossible for a less complex system, organic or inorganic, to move from the less to the more complex.

So you were more complex as a unicellular zygote than you are as a cognitive, multicellular animal posting to the intenet on your computer? Maybe there is something a wee bit wrong with your formulation, eh?

74 posted on 01/12/2003 12:06:37 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Phaedrus
I would lose? You mean that you would come up with more unsubstantiated assertions than I, like the bit about there being no transitional fossils?
75 posted on 01/12/2003 12:08:19 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
"I was a communist(DEVILCRAT // liberal // lunatic // evolutionist)for 30 years . . .

and I listened to so much of this demagoguery(lies // ideology // spin // left rhetoric) that now - - -

with my democratic(conservative // creationist // REPUBLICAN) views - - -

I can no . . . longer(link) - - - stand it,"

76 posted on 01/12/2003 12:14:23 PM PST by f.Christian (Orcs of the world: Take note and beware.)
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To: Dimensio
Now Dimensio, you've been dismissed. We've had our conversation earlier. You will subsequently be ignored.
77 posted on 01/12/2003 12:20:49 PM PST by Phaedrus
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To: PatrickHenry
You point is also attested to in a backhanded way by creationists themselves. On a number of occasions, while agreeing that there are no transitional forms, they have disagreed as to which side of the non-transtion a non-transitional form belongs.

Creationists, for instance, are certain that Archaeopteryx is in no sense transitional, or indicative of any transition, between reptiles and birds. However some claim that it is not transitional because it is a reptile (with hoaxed feathers) whereas most claim it is not transitional because it is NOT a reptile, but simply a bird.

The archaic ceticean Basilosaurus has been identified both as just a whale and as a marine reptile, in this case (at different times, i.e. before versus after its rear limbs were discovered) by the same individual, creationist fossil "expert" Duane Gish!

Homo erectus, albeit different examples thereof, has been classified by creationists both as an ape and as a human.

78 posted on 01/12/2003 12:21:25 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Dimensio
Wow, I am ever more amazed at these people's arrogance for their ignorance. Maybe lying for God isn't really a sin?
79 posted on 01/12/2003 12:30:50 PM PST by balrog666 (One of the striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives. - Twain)
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To: Dimensio
Good lord, Creationists are still pushing this lie? It only shows that they don't actually know the theory.

Yepp, they still do but you never see other creationists who know this to be one of the most ridiculous arguments against evolution (even AiG says it shouldn't be used) criticize them. This seems to confirm what VadeRetro remarked on that other 4500-post thread and what I have also observed here and on other crevo-boards:
Never criticize one of your fellow creationists in front of evolutionists even if you know that his claims are false.

80 posted on 01/12/2003 12:33:01 PM PST by BMCDA (Politicians are like diapers: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reason.)
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