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To: dirtboy
That, in the end, is the true positive of the entire pot debate - states are fighting to regain their 10th Amendment right to set their own laws regarding matters that do not cross state lines.

All flowery rhetoric, hiding behind the skirt of the 10th amendment when the true cause of the marijuana lobby is to make pot legal nationwide. Some of pot's biggest boosters on FR stated to me that they "use" medical marijuana as a cover for the cause, basically calling medical patinets, "useful idiots".

You may see a 10th amendment issue, I see stopping the spread of the drug culture in which marijuana use is a big component. You may say you are winning but look at last years election results and the pro-drug lobby lost big time. I know you don't like those facts, but they are the facts.

You can write all the pompous "holier than thou" rhetoric you want but the fight against drug abuse and validation is a here and now issue and considering last year's drubbing the pro-por intitatives took last year, looks like you lost.

Huh if reason means accepting a tenet of the modern American left, drug validation, then you can count me out.

61 posted on 01/30/2003 8:12:18 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
All flowery rhetoric, hiding behind the skirt of the 10th amendment when the true cause of the marijuana lobby is to make pot legal nationwide.

I care about nationwide legal marijuana about as much as I care about dry counties in Utah---very little. Dane, do you support states' 10th Amendment rights to set their own marijuana policies without federal interference or preemption?

65 posted on 01/30/2003 8:17:40 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: Dane
All flowery rhetoric, hiding behind the skirt of the 10th amendment when the true cause of the marijuana lobby is to make pot legal nationwide.

Please demonstrate where the marijuana lobby such as NARAL, let alone individuals acting on their own accord and conscience, have lobbied for national legislation mandating that states cannot prohibit the use or cultivation of marijuana. Heck, seven decades after the repeal of Prohibition, there are still myriad dry counties scattered about the Repubic. So your straw man is weak even by the limited architectural standards of that craft, and your claims of a grand marijuana conspiracy carry about as much validity as the claims of Arabs and DUers that Bush knew about 9-11 - and for the exact same reason - a complete lack of proof.

All flowery rhetoric, hiding behind the skirt of the 10th amendment when the true cause of the marijuana lobby is to make pot legal nationwide

Dane, Dane, Dane. The 10th Amendment is coming back to life, and it means a lot of sacred cows are going to have to work for a living instead. If your arguments are so pervasive, they will work fine on the state level (as it appears they have with some states). That's the way it should be under the 10th. But you can't have it both ways if a state defies the feds (although, like the hypocrite you are, you will want it that way).

Better sane than Dane...

67 posted on 01/30/2003 8:18:19 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Dane
Some of pot's biggest boosters on FR stated to me that they "use" medical marijuana as a cover for the cause, basically calling medical patients, "useful idiots".

Dane useful idiots is your term,
and all the replys we have seen, say that if Medical MJ, helps end the WOD so be it
and whatever it takes to stop this insane war.
but again twist everyone's words around.
Medical MJ benefits people with AIDS, severe pain, and many other uses.
all you can say is there are better drugs out there.
But if it works for someone why can't they choose what works for them,

Oh that's right because it's illegal.
75 posted on 01/30/2003 8:27:57 AM PST by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: Dane
You may see a 10th amendment issue, I see stopping the spread of the drug culture in which marijuana use is a big component.
Statists often have trouble understanding the difference between disapproving of something and wanting it banned by law.

-Eric

96 posted on 01/30/2003 8:47:47 AM PST by E Rocc (it's really that simple)
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