Republicans Against George Bush

Personal Creation | 1/21/04 | Manny Paulet

[MannyP]

REPUBLICANS AGAINST GEORGE BUSH

1. Who are we? We are Americans. We believe in small government, America first, the Constitution, the rule of law, secure borders and competitive capitalism that favor the needs of the average American over the rest of the world.

2. Why are we against President Bush? Chairman of the GOP Gillespie has stated that the GOP does not stand for limited or smaller government and President Bush is acting accordingly. Cutting taxes is a good thing, but not when cutting a single program or entitlement hasn't even been proposed. The opposite is true. New or expanded programs are constantly being proposed by the Bush administration. Since the advent of the Bush administration, government has become a larger and even more intrusive force in our lives. In addition, continued free trade overtures threaten to destroy the economic viability of the average citizen of the United States.

3. What do we want? We want likeminded Americans to vote for the Reform Party candidate for President of the United States and for Republicans in the congressional races? We think that enough people voting for the Reform Party in the presidential election, and doing so publicly AS REPUBLICANS, should cause President Bush to lose. This in turn should create a demand within our party for a President more in line with our principles. If we do this, we must make sure that OUR Republican party hears our message. This makes it twice as important to get every Republican voter that we can get publicly behind this. They must not stay at home for the election. I hope to be able to point to the numbers of people who vote for the Reform Party candidate and tell our Republican leadership that we are the party of small limited government, strong national defense, individual rights, a rule of law and sound economic policies.

4. Do we mean for the Reform Party candidate to win? This is not a goal of this group. We want to create a public demand for a small government GOP without leaving the party.

5. Does this mean that we approve of Dean or any of the other Democratic nominees? No! We explicitly reject the Socialist /Democrat party and think that their actions are causing the decline of this great nation. It is because our beloved GOP is becoming indistinguishable from the Democrats in other than foreign relations arenas that we are undertaking this action.

6. Are there any up-sides to this action in the 2004 election? It is likely that there are many Republicans that are disillusioned with the current administration and Jim Gillespie’s leadership. The likely result is that many will stay home. This could cost us seats and/or control of the House or Senate. If enough people turn out to register this protest vote, we could increase our majority.

7. Do we have any specific long term goals? If President Bush loses due to our efforts, it is our hope that our party leadership will enact a platform more in line with our traditional Republican principles. The next candidate should also be more concerned with sound domestic policies.

8. How many people would it take to accomplish our objective? According to recent election results, a few thousand in just a few states could change the result of a presidential election.

9. What happens if we do not succeed? If Bush wins in 2004, after eight years of growing government and spending, the average Republican will be dispirited and stay away from the polls just like what happened to his father. Also, the people will be tired of a war on terrorism that can’t end and the strength of foreign policy will not sustain the next candidate either. (Remember; “Its the economy stupid” ?) Facing increasing debt, a lack of meaningful employment, and a dispirited/divided Republican Party, Hillary/Bayh will likely be elected. Strengthened by eight years in opposition, the Democrats will be united and will show up to the polls for Hillary/Bayh. To those who claim that it can't happen, I would refer you to those of us who said Bill would never get elected or reelected and those who said that New York would never elect Hillary. Does it still seem so far fetched? How many Republicans have you met who are really excited about the direction of Bush's domestic policy?

10. What’s in it for R.A.G. BUSH? When we pledge allegiance to the “Republic”, we do so not to any politician or party, but rather to the republican system of limited government set up in the Constitution. We consider socialism and tyranny in all of its forms an enemy to be conquered and not one to compromise with. We get to do something to try to keep freedoms lamp lit in America. We want our children to know the greatness of the United States, not experience its decline. Enough people talk about all the things that are wrong, let’s do something. In 2008, we want to help elect a strong Republican president who stands for the things that we value and who will face the ineptitude of one of the eight candidates that are currently contesting the Democratic nomination. We have faith in our fellow Americans. If our purpose is righteous and Americans united, who can stand in our way?

"This idea that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves. You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path." Reagan (1964)

[alnick]

Gellispie was NOT quoted as saying what you assert, and I suspect you are aware of that.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/974928/posts

[MannyP]

SEE:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_090803/content/stop_the_tape.guest.html

Gillespie did say something to that effect. Both Limbaugh and Hannity have stated their disgust that the GOP is no longer the party of small government.

[OPS4]

No perfect government will exist. With this in mind I will back GW Bush to the hilt over the likes of any others I have seen over the past 53 years of my life,

George has brought us through some very dangerous paths, and done it well. I for one would rather lobby a government like the one we have currently for reforms, than any other on the horizon.

Ops4 God BLess America!

[FRgal4u]

Even I STRONGLY DISAPPROVE the drunken sailor like spendings by the Bush Admin., the alternative will be far worse. The other side will give us Tax Hikes, Big Spendings and intolerable social policies. There is no way on earth I will go for any alternatives. Like it or not, this country is run by two parties. Either you are for one or another, any third party stuff is just nonsense. Ask the dems on DarthNader! Beware of all these msgs claiming to be Republicans for third party stuff, we just don't know who they are, heck, I know some of my very Republican friends donate money to Dean on the web just to stoke the ego of that Nut (and watch him prematurely imploded in Iowa).

[phillyfanatic]

I too will support Bush and every GOP candidate since the culture, the nation, the economy, the defense of our nation as spelled out by Pelosi-the Dash last night would put this nation in a tail-spin with which we could not recover.To listen to the lib-Dems and poor Marty, the American dream is gone. It is not. I realize Marty has some good complaints. But,there is no alternative except domestic and international and national security disaster with the Dems. Bush proposed much I can support. I trust him as Commander in Chief. I do not trust any,any Dem with that role. That alone gives him my vote. The GOP has been in charge for 10 years off and on. The Dems were in charge for nearly 60 years. Bush has to undo that and the effects of a liberal media, university elite, and a party which hates, hates, hates. I'm sorry Marty is grieved. I am 65 and have seen more than he has and I will stick with Bush and his party since there is no other alternative which will promise me national security and a semblance of free enterprise capitalism and liberty. And please, no more absurd ideas about a Third Party. In fact, any Reformed, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists should come back to the GOP before they are swamped by socialism and insecurity in the name of the Democrat Party!

[phillyfanatic]

Correction, Manny instead of Marty. Perhaps I was thinking of poor Ernest Borgnine's brilliant acting part in the the old film, Marty! LOL

[cardinal4]

Voting third party can have disastrous consequences. We should have learned from 92. You might be comfortable taking the risk of voting 3rd party or not at all, but Im certainly not.

[easytree]

I agree with some of your objections to Bush's policies, but the answer is not to give the election to the Democrats. The answer is to change the GOP from within. You plan is born of pain and if followed through with creates more pain and eight years of a Democratic President. We survived Clinton, but let's not repeat anytime soon.

[RunningJoke]

George Bush is the JFK of his time and the Republican Party has morphed into Democratic Party. At this point, I'm considering to vote a Democrat(leftist) in as President. This will at least cause less cooperation between Congress and the President.

If it is spelled R-e-p-u-b-l-i-c-a-n, but acts Democrat. Then indeed it is Democrat. I'm ready to join the Bull-Moose Party someone revive TR.

[bobjam]

Those of you who have played the game Risk know that before setting out to take over the world, you must stake out your own little territory (South America and Australia are pretty ideal) and then proceed to eliminate your strongest opponent (usually the one player in the game who is very experienced). Once he's gone, it's pretty simple to mop up the less experienced opponents. Bush has done exactly that. He has staked out his little territory (tax cuts and an aggresive war on terrorism), and now he is proceeding to eliminate the democratic socialists from significance. Once they are effectively gone, he (or his successor) can proceed to take over other issues. But it is imperative that the kooks must be eliminated first.

[levotb]

Hey, RunningJoke--

You are fantastic! I want you in MY corner when Conservatives for Kerry-Edwards show the GOP for what it really is--a haven for the well-to-do country club set and those who hate conservatives--like Bush, Rove et al! For those of you who disagree or think we are crazy, I invite you to read the Sept. 16th edition (found at WND archives) of The Times of India article (about H-1B visas) in which Bush is quoted as saying some very uncomplimentary things about conservatives and about our hero, Rep. Tom Tancredo in particular. There are plenty of other actions that Bush has taken lately, in particular amnesty for federal lawbreakers, that directly caused his approval numbers to drop 10% (Independent conservatives were blamed for the drop, of course).

Bush & Co. (Rove) have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that they are not to be trusted (Bush said he was for marriage being "between a man and a woman", but he has fudged on taking it to its logical conclusion--a Constitutional Amendment, the Farm Bill, etc.). I think also, my friend RunningJoke, that there is a real dislike for the Bush family in general, especially remembering what Daddy Bush didn't do in Gulf War I and what he DID do (decrying "Read my lips"). There is also the feeling among conservatives that Jeb Bush, who is very close with his brother, failed to protect Terri Schiavo from being murdered byu her husband in Florida, and how "woosie" the future presidnetial candidate Jeb Bush looked after all that (And he STILL can't figure out what to do with poor Ms. Schiavo!).

At some point in time, my dear friend RunningJoke, the plaid panted country clubbers driving their gold-plated SUVs will have to be MADE to realize (by losing a major election) that the Base or a goodly (or should I say, Godly?) percent of them are nom longer going to stand and hold their noses while "voting for the lesser of two evils". We were lied to by Bush and his supporters when they begged us for their votes in 2000. Do you realize that Bush hasn't vetoed a single bill put before him?

I have read the previous chats on this thread "berating" those of us who are pushing for a Third Party. The truth is, there isn't enough time to form one before the Election. So, that is why I said I am a "Conservative for Kerry"--because the GOP and conservatives in general can no longer afford a RINO in The White House. Until our OWN party is formed--and it WILL be formed my dear RunningJoke and fellow conservatives--the GOP must be taught the severest lesson possible--not to take its Base for granted! We're tired of being lied to, set up and having amnesty for illegals and homosexual marriage forced down our throats.

Bravo, RunningJoke!

[ConservaChick]

Oh,YEAH,

How right you are! Bush isn't perfect so lets vote in a liberal dem who will be 1000 times worse.Lets become a total socialist nation.Brilliant idea!

If you think it doesn't matter if a Demon...ah...Democrat gets in as president i feel sorry for you.I suspect you are from "democratic underground" or your one of the loons at "move on".
At any rate i dont always agree with Bush but i will support him 1000% over the DemonCats.
(and really Bush has dome a LOT that is great)

[Impy]

The Reform party barley still exists.

[levotb]

Hi, ConservaChick--

Love that name, by the way. No, I am no "loony lefty". I'm further to the right than the President, that is for certain. I hate the left as much as you seem to, but I don't fear them. I fear only those who promise one thing and give us another. Both parties have been co=opted by greed and special interests. I'm as "straight arrow" as you are.

But, unlike you and the RINOs, I don't want 4 more years of Bush. I was fooled into voting for him the last time 'round because I didn't want to see Gore in The White House. John Kerry does not scare me like Gore did.

Let me put it to you this way. Let's say you're correct in your judgment and Bush wins another 4 years. Do you know what we just went through.75 years of horrible recession? Do you want that repeated? I don't. And that's just economics. How about Iraq? Do you want our boys there year after deadly year? Not I. We need them on our Southern Border, not in Iraq. Kerry is the man to bring our boys home. We got Saddam, and we destroyed his Party and killed his sons. We have other roads to walk. Iraq will never be a democracy--it's like Lebanon was in '83 when our boys were blown up there--a lawless, feudal toilet bowl. Bush will keep our boys there for years. How about granting amnesty for millions of illegals? The country is solidly against this. It will bring in millions more. That is NOT what I want for this country. As Michael Savage says, "borders, language, culture". What we have left of it, we must preserve or we'll become a Third World nation. Laugh? I wouldn't laugh. Look at Canada, Britain...two formerly great countries that let in too many people who don't share their values or culture. Now, they are run down Socialist countries going the way of France and others. That is NOT what I want for my country.

[Liberty Valance]

So, in essence, what you're saying is you want a democrat elected so i can get a tax increase. Not buying this....sorry.

Best regards,
Liberty

W'04

[MannyP]

It is not that I want a Dem or a third party candidate to win. It is that the way we are going, it won't make much of a difference. Plus, what abbout the Hillary factor? If Bush gets reelected, Hillary will be president. If you don't believe this, you are probably among those who said that an adulteror, draft dodger, pot smoker........ would never get elected. A little pain now may forestall a lot of pain later.

[MannyP]

I would never and could never vote for a democrat. If you do, you are abandoning the principles that we stand for. Voting for a third party is not to make the third party win, but to make the GOP lose the presidential election, coax reluctant conservatives to register a protest vote in the meantime keeping the majority in congress and being able to point at this and elect a proper GOP candidate in 2008 against whichever of these idiots wins. Let's face it, there is only one (ok, maybe two) Clinton. None of these guys is him.
Let me tell you. I am an Army veteran and lifelong GOP voter. I have a Bush/Cheney sweatshirt from the last campaign and my "Victory 2000" card from the National Committee. I donated some of my meager money to Bush's campaign and cried on election night when I thought that the days of shame were over. Bush is not who I thought he was. The base is getting taken for granted. There is only one way that the average Joe can protest and make politicians hear us and that is to vote against them on election day.

[MannyP]

No, I am willing to have a democrat as president with Republicans in control of congress which should minimize most damage. No one remembers that until the GOP took over Congress in 1994 the Clinton administration could get anything right. Ergo, all the stuff that Clinton got credit for was because of a GOP run congress. Let's say that Bush gets reelected, but most Reps stay home, this could cost us the congressional majority which is in my view more important. A Bush loss in 2004 should result in a more conservative GOP candidate in 2008. In the alternative we will have a demoralized party behind whomever the GOP runs next, Reps will stay home, congress will be lost and HIllary will be president since Dems will unify behind her and Evan Bayh.

[Retired COB]

Speaking as a "Drunken Sailor" with a lot of experience in that area, I resent being compared to these folks. At least when I was drunk, I spent my OWN money, not the public's.

Now if you want to make a comparison about unbridled spending, maybe you should compare him to Congress in an election year!!

All joking aside, I agree with you. President Bush has angered me with his Campaign Finance Reform, his Prescription Drug Plan, and now his Immigration Reform Plan.

It is not a viable option to let the Democrats win just to show the moderates in our party the error of their ways. When you look at the other side, virtually every one is Pro Abortion, Pro Tax Increase, more government spending, and not at all strong on foreign policy.

If Bush had a primary challenger, I'd vote for them. As he doesn't, I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Bush.

SKCM(SS) Russ Snyder, U S Navy Retired