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To: Coleus

You live in the 10 century.

Medicine is God's blessing too..


14 posted on 07/25/2004 10:11:13 PM PDT by KQQL
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To: KQQL

Put her in the scalding dunk tank and use leeches! She has the devil in her, and we can beat it out using our medical science!


24 posted on 07/25/2004 10:15:07 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Tax Cheats should be in prison, scam artists should be beaten)
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To: KQQL; Coleus; little jeremiah; 8mmMauser; AAABEST; Polycarp IV; NYer; Salvation; cpforlife.org; ...

God permits all kinds of things but that does not mean that he approves of things such as invitro fertilization.

You may ask what is wrong with making a baby in a test tube and then implanting it in a woman's womb? God created that soul didn't he?

Here is the answer. The baby has a soul but God did not actively will that soul to come into being.

The soul from an invetro ferilization happens because medical scientists want to play God. In playing God- they create several fertilized eggs in an artificial situation- i.e. a petri dish not natural sex between husband and wife. Also the husband had to masturbate in order to get his semen which is condemned as spilling the seed Gn 38:9-10. Onan was killed for spilling his seed as an example that the conjugal union between husband and wife must not be thwarted and that procreation from this act must not be thwarted.

These fertility doctors take these little souls and try to then implant them inside the woman but most of these little souls are destroyed in the process. It is like having several early abortions in one sitting because you are taking all of these little souls and very few if any are able to implant in the womb of their mother. Others are frozen for years without the benefit of allowing to live a normal human existence with the benefit of the sacraments and baptism which enables them to go to heaven.

The question is this- does a woman have a right above nature or licit means of medication to enhance her fertility? Why don't people trust in God more?? Can not you see the madness in this- we have all of this contraception and abortion to prevent human life from coming into existence and then we have this other extreme of artificial method i.e. invetro that destroys human relationships. Those babies who are frozen or destroyed in the process never have the opportunity to know their parents. So maybe one life comes from this but thousands are destroyed or placed on a sterile lab shelf.

Here is another consideration- I heard an obstetrician tell me when she used to do this technique of invetro fertilization that couples would get very upset when it wasn’t working and that many would get divorced over it instead of accepting that God made them infertile for a reason and that they should adopt. This doctor told me they often divorced. Then they argued and sued each other over what was to become of the remaining frozen embryos. One woman ended up have multiple births because of this unnatural method and she felt so overwhelmed she contemplated suicide- and she even had help from parents and family who took care of some of the babies for her.

Then did you ever think that this is Aldux Huxley’s “Brave New World” where babies are grown in an artificial situations like artificial wombs which they are now working on? They will literally create these invetro artificial womb babies for the purpose of making a human war machine, or harvesting human organs, or human slavery. The possible scenarios are endless and don’t think it can not happen. Adolf Hitler would have loved this invetro/ cloning technology. The idea of the movie “The Boys from Brazil” doesn’t seem so crazy considering the lunacy of so many doctors who push the boundaries of civilized medicine every day. You are being very simplistic in what you are saying.

The best reason however, is that it is wrong because the Church which Christ founded- Holy Catholic Church says its wrong because it goes against the natural law and being made in God’s image. God could have chosen this method to impregnate the Virgin Mary but He did not. He could have had Christ be born in the 21 century and done it in that method but He did not nor could He ever because then this would go against His nature of being all Good and Wisdom itself. The Holy Spirit came and overshadowed Mary and she conceived and bore a son- the son of the living God Jesus Christ. This was not through some cold process of a petri dish but a powerful miracle which took place INSIDE her body. No woman should want to create new life or begin a baby by a process concocted by mad Dr. Frankensteins who are in it for the glory and to make themselves a name as “fertility specialists.”

Can you imagine telling your child- “the doctor made you not momy and dady in cooperation with God? You started in a test tube! This is gross because it is a dehumanizing process not the relational process which God made using natural intercourse between a husband and wife. This mixing of the reproductive parts of people leads to all kinds of wrong things like surrogate mothers, lesbian couples using sperm banks and invetro to have children, children who don’t know who their real fathers are and the attitude that people can use any means they want to achieve what they think it a good end and cloning. I am my own momy and dady. We are living in a brave new world and if we are not careful we are going to self destruct. Brook Shield's artificial method to begin a family is wrong and her marriage will probably self destruct as most Hollywood marriages do.


163 posted on 07/26/2004 4:54:49 PM PDT by pro Athanasius (Catholicism is not a "politically correct sound bite".)
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To: KQQL; Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh; Coleus; Blacksheep
Killing embryos is not "medicine." Medicine involves, or should involve, medical ethics. And sound medical ethics prohibits the deliberate destruction of human life.

Let me demonstrate the difference.

People with fertility problems don't need to opt for Artificial Reproductive Technologies at all. IVF usually involves wasted embryos, AID (insemination by donor) involves third party genetics, hyper-ovulation involves the extremely risky business of conceiving high-order multiples. On the other hand, REAL therapies that actually HEAL the physical causes of marital infertility, like NaProTechnology (NPT) restore natural sexual procreation and thus do not incur those problems.

When you're looking at proposed therapies on a case-by-case basis, this is the question to ask: does this heal the physical causes of marital fertility and restore natural sexual procreation? OR does it give up on healing and instead substitute some non-marital, non-sexual process for the marital relation?

In many cases of infertility, the would-be mother and father are both technically fertile (they produce normal ova and sperm and could conceive via intercourse) but have not been able to get pregnant or to maintain a pregnancy.

A true therapy would have found a way to optimize natural fertility (often by addressing nutritional and hormonal preconditions, or by fine-tuning the pattern of sexual behavior) so as to preserve true marital procreation --- instead of substituting another man as the genetic father or intruding laboratory procedures into the relationship.

Actually treating the couple's marital fertility problem is preferable to cutting out the genetic contribution of one marriage partner, or taking lovemaking out of the equation.

Renee Mirkes, the director of the Center for NaPro Ethics, reports that "in the long run, NPT is 1.5 to 3.5 times more effective in achieving conception than conventional IVF treatment."

And it restores the fertility that the married partners jointly have, without the enormous expense of ART and without the emotional, social, and psychological costs.

Here's a second highly informative link on NaProTechnology for healing of natural fertility.

294 posted on 01/12/2008 6:09:13 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Pro-Sex)
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To: KQQL

“You live in the 10 century.”

Not only that, today is a SATURDAY. Killing babies is OKAY on SATURDAYS!!!! It’s on WEDNESDAYS that killing babies is wrong.


317 posted on 01/12/2008 10:15:56 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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