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To: Agitate
The racial issue is a sham, simply because a male is a male and a female is a female. The gay marriage proponents want to change the traditional definition of marriage by making it sex neutral. Racial differences are cosmetic-- differences between the sexes are structural and sociologically fundamental.

The single truth in this debate that no one seems to point out is that marriage, as a social contract, is not between two people, it is between two people and everybody else. All the rights the individual above claims are rights not between the two married individuals, but rights of recogition required by the rest of society. This is why the 'private behavior' argument does not work-- this is demanding the recognition and accomodation, and therefore complicity, of everyone else. Any legislation or judicial edict instituting gay marriage is not to change the behavior of the couple in question, it is to change the behavior of everyone else in society.

9 posted on 12/01/2004 2:04:04 PM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: atomicpossum
The racial issue is a sham, simply because a male is a male and a female is a female. The gay marriage proponents want to change the traditional definition of marriage by making it sex neutral. Racial differences are cosmetic-- differences between the sexes are structural and sociologically fundamental.

The single truth in this debate that no one seems to point out is that marriage, as a social contract, is not between two people, it is between two people and everybody else. All the rights the individual above claims are rights not between the two married individuals, but rights of recogition required by the rest of society. This is why the 'private behavior' argument does not work-- this is demanding the recognition and accomodation, and therefore complicity, of everyone else. Any legislation or judicial edict instituting gay marriage is not to change the behavior of the couple in question, it is to change the behavior of everyone else in society.


Excellent points! Thanks.




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11 posted on 12/01/2004 2:09:21 PM PST by Agitate ("You will know the truth, and the truth will make you mad.")
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To: atomicpossum
Must be repeated, an EXCELLENT point brought up by our esteemed radioactive marsupial:

The single truth in this debate that no one seems to point out is that marriage, as a social contract, is not between two people, it is between two people and everybody else. All the rights the individual above claims are rights not between the two married individuals, but rights of recogition required by the rest of society. This is why the 'private behavior' argument does not work-- this is demanding the recognition and accomodation, and therefore complicity, of everyone else. Any legislation or judicial edict instituting gay marriage is not to change the behavior of the couple in question, it is to change the behavior of everyone else in society.

16 posted on 12/01/2004 2:37:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes? Do they exist? If so, what are they and where did they come from?)
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