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Abstract Appeal ^ | February 25, 2005

Posted on 02/25/2005 10:28:40 AM PST by Hildy

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To: Hildy

Larry King Show - 2003

Lie detector test?

Following 45 minutes of a they-said, he-said discussion, in which Schiavo repeatedly accused the Schindlers of lying, King opened the show to callers who asked tougher questions than King.

One caller asked if Schiavo was willing to take a lie detector test. Schiavo responded, "I'll refrain from answering that right now."

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:3kphldRgxN0J:www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp%3FARTICLE_ID%3D35304+michael+schiavo+found+terri&hl=en


51 posted on 02/25/2005 1:19:03 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: Trinity_Tx


BUMP.
Good to "see" you.


52 posted on 02/25/2005 1:23:31 PM PST by onyx (Henry Kissinger: Asked if SoS Rice calls him, replied, "no never, she doesn't need advice.")
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To: HairOfTheDog

Yes, it is. Thanks for the ping!

Matt is one of the very few people out there who has reported this thing objectively.

Reading the links he provides to court decisions and guardian ad litem reports is extremely helpful in separating fact from fiction.


53 posted on 02/25/2005 1:31:28 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: onyx

Good to "see" you too, girl! : )


54 posted on 02/25/2005 1:32:05 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Hildy

Thanks for posting this. Good to have some objective facts for a change.


55 posted on 02/25/2005 1:32:51 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Hildy
The only debate between the doctors is whether she has a small amount of isolated living tissue in her cerebral cortex or whether she has no living tissue in her cerebral cortex.

Liar. According to neurologist William Hammesfahr, who examined her:

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years ago showed improvement.

http://www.ginzell.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelations.html

56 posted on 02/25/2005 1:40:26 PM PST by Catholic and Conservative
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To: Catholic and Conservative

One Dr. says it and everyone else is wrong.


57 posted on 02/25/2005 1:41:06 PM PST by Hildy
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To: GeekDejure
Terri is in Love!

By Cheryl Ford RN

February 25, 2005

Last night at hospice Terri's father, Robert Schindler and Attorney Gibbs visited with Terri. Mr. Schindler was the first to enter Terri's room, approaching Terri on her right. As always, Terri was delighted to see her Dad until Mr. Schindler announced that Mr. Gibbs was with him.

Mr. Gibbs moved closer to Terri's left greeting her with, "Hello Terri."

Terri, hearing Mr. Gibb's deep voice immediately turned to her left to look at him. Terri's Dad stated that once she eyed Mr. Gibbs that was the end of his visit with her because she was no longer interested in anything he had to say to her..."she was goo-goo eyes over Attorney Gibbs."

Mr. Schindler then exclaimed, "Terri, Terri, look at me. I've come here to see you as well and now you cannot take your eyes off of Attorney Gibbs, what am I chopped liver?" Terri responded with laughter to her father's comment but her eyes remained focused on Mr. Gibbs.

Bob said,"Well, Cheryl that's the last time I will be taking Mr. Gibbs along with me since my daughter did not hear anything I had to say once he had her attention."


Attorney David Gibbs

58 posted on 02/25/2005 1:42:40 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: Hildy

Excellent post.


59 posted on 02/25/2005 1:59:03 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Catholic and Conservative

No one's a "liar". You can still have 75% of *brain tissue* when only a small amount of your *cerebral cortex* remains.

Read every quote Hammesfher makes very carefully... he got creamed on the witness stand.


60 posted on 02/25/2005 2:27:40 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: bjs1779
How dare you interject facts into this thread. This is supposed to be a gathering spot for T-4 propaganda. Let's get back on track now.


This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime. People, that is your money. Read 'New People'.

61 posted on 02/25/2005 3:05:56 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Trinity_Tx
Read every quote Hammesfher makes very carefully... he got creamed on the witness stand.

That is debatable, but I won't argue the point. He has however offered to treat Terri for free. What is the pro-death side afraid of?

62 posted on 02/25/2005 3:21:08 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: BykrBayb
This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime. People, that is your money. Read 'New People'.

And abortions cut down on crime, too!

63 posted on 02/25/2005 3:23:47 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: Hildy

Bump for good, informative post.


64 posted on 02/25/2005 3:40:11 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Catholic and Conservative

Here's a small mystery to me. My mother fed my little sister for several years with a feeding tube. It's not fun, but it's not nuclear physics. I'd like to hear why Terri's parents can't do the same.

By the way, who's paying for Terri's care?

This, from Harvard's Quack Watch, doesn't say much for the credentials of Dr. Hammesfahr.

Conclusion
The theoretical basis for Hammesfahr's vasodilation treatment for stroke clashes with current knowledge about stroke physiology. In fact, the prevailing current belief is that such treatments should worsen stroke outcome, not improve it. I believe that vasodilation treatment for stroke patients should be done only as part of an approved peer-reviewed protocol that includes informed consent about the treatment's experimental status and possible risks. Because of the potential risk, I doubt that an institutional review board would permit such a study unless animal studies can demonstrate that the treatment is safe and potentially useful.

Reference
1. 93886, 93888: Transcranial Doppler studies. The Florida Medicare B Update, Nov/Dec 1999.

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Dr. Novella, a member of Quackwatch's advisory board, is Assistant Professor of Neurology at Yale University School of Medicine and president of the The New England Skeptical Society.


65 posted on 02/25/2005 3:43:36 PM PST by Hennible Cobb
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To: bjs1779

I agree with you that they should at least try.


What bothers me about Hammesfher is that he has used language that is misleading.

And that report he made that gives everyone so much hope... He and her parents' lawyers made a point to avoid putting it into evidence so that it couldn't be subject to examination in court. When Felos tried to point out the holes in it, they stopped him because "it wasn't used as evidence."

Doesn't that tell you a lot about the quality of the report itself?

His claims on the stand weren't nearly as grand.


I'd for sure give her therapy, but if she were my sister...well, I might give him a shot, but I'd rather take her some place else - even if it cost a lot. He doesn't even have hospital privileges anywhere.


66 posted on 02/25/2005 3:45:37 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Hennible Cobb

67 posted on 02/25/2005 3:51:32 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: bjs1779

Why am I not surprised? Other Nobel recipients were Jimmy Carter and Yassar Arafat.


68 posted on 02/25/2005 3:57:42 PM PST by Hennible Cobb
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To: bjs1779
QuackWatch-Accused-of-Racketeering.htm

"Up until now, the quackbusters have been mostly defeated when they attacked one of America's health heroes, But this case joins the new breed - the offensive against those determined to withhold good health care in favor of the status quo."

69 posted on 02/25/2005 3:58:58 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: Hennible Cobb

He isn't a recipient of a Nobel Prize. He may not even be a nominee.

All that is is a letter by a congressman suggesting the committee accept him as a nominee.

He was asked to bring evidence that it was accepted to trial, but he didn't. I don't know if he has ever since cleared it up for people.


70 posted on 02/25/2005 4:03:52 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Hennible Cobb
You can ignore these one also. It makes no differnce to me.

Social Security Administration Judge orders Medicare to pay! (2003)Dr. Hammesfahr's treatment procedures.

71 posted on 02/25/2005 4:07:59 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: bjs1779

That is written by quacks, and refers to a lawsuit filed (and only filed) by quacks (ask your dentist) against quackwatch because they published that the quacks were quacks. lol

(I'm not calling Dr H a quack, just saying...)


72 posted on 02/25/2005 4:11:58 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Annie03

I'm sorry this happened to your father. I'm sorry this is happening to fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, sons and daughters all across the country. I pray we can turn back the tide.


73 posted on 02/25/2005 4:26:50 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Trinity_Tx
That is written by quacks, and refers to a lawsuit filed (and only filed) by quacks (ask your dentist) against quackwatch because they published that the quacks were quacks. lol

Mainstream medicine is reluctant to recognize anything out of their norm. Quackwatch testified against Dr. Hammesfahr and lost the case in 2003 as you can see in this publicity publication.

Quackwatch are quacks if they lose in court.lol If you don't like the guy that is fine, but you can't put anything on him other than your opinoin


http://www.hnionline.com/Sarah's%20Stuff%20Working%20On/LWF00082.jpg

74 posted on 02/25/2005 4:37:50 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: bjs1779
ooops, part 2


75 posted on 02/25/2005 4:47:05 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; cyn; BykrBayb; All
Father Frank Pavone witnessed Terri's condition just 2 and a half weeks ago. He has some EXCELLENT advice to EVERYONE interested in helping Terri AND MICHAEL ... HERE Note the parts in red, and BLUE in post #1 there.


FL definition of persistent vegetative state, PVS:

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From video Terri Big Eyes; see it at www.terrisfight.org-- http://www.terrisfight.org/

Terri starts out apparently asleep. A doctor wakes her to start his tests.

Doctor: Terri. Open your eyes up...

Terri: (Startled at hearing her name. She starts moving her mouth and fluttering her eyes, like a person who is just waking up)

Doctor: Open your eyes, Terri open your eyes

Terri: (slowly at first, Terri struggles to open her eyes, then turns toward the doctor, and opens her eyes a normal amount)

Doctor: There you go, good.

Terri: (then, either to show off(?) or wanting to perform well, she leans further forward toward the doctor, looks straight at him and opens her eyes as WIDE AS SHE CAN. >> Note the WRINKLES ACROSS HER FOREHEAD caused by her also RAISING HER EYEBROWS as high as possible )

Doctor: [now obviously impressed] GOOD!! GOOD JOB! GOOD JOB YOUNG LADY! Good Job.




================================================================================== Two photos from the pre-jury-award era, which are ironic because Mikey NOW doesn't allow Terri to have a working wheelchair or go outside!




76 posted on 02/25/2005 4:49:43 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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Documented Terri-vocabulary references
Words Witness
"mommy"
"momma"
"help me"
nurse - Heidi Law, certified nurse assistant
"pay"     (meaning 'pain'
                when she was in discomfort)
'Haaaiiiii'   (meaning Hi,
                in response to 'Hi Terri')
'mommy'
'help me'
Nurse - Carla Sauer Iyer, R.N.

"'Help me' was, in fact, one of her most frequent
utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times."
"stop"   (in response to one medical
                procedure being done on her)
Terri's MediPlex records
"ugh-hugh" (meaning yes)
"ugh-ugh" (meaning no)
"yea"
"No"
family members.

'yea' was a word she reportedly first re-learned to speak in 2002.


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77 posted on 02/25/2005 4:53:08 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer
Mikey is hiding.


Yesterday, Michael Schiavo called the cops on us during a peaceful protest in front of his house. "He repeatedly called the police again and again and again... Michael never came out of his house."

"He watched us through the blinds and through the windows in his garage. Schiavo told the police that the two men from the Franciscan Brothers for Peace were terrorists. An officer pulled one of the brothers aside and asked him why he was wearing a dark cape. Brother Paul explained that he was from a religious order of brothers and he was wearing the religious habit. Bro Paul said they were in Florida to protest Terri's death sentence." by amdgmary

78 posted on 02/25/2005 4:57:54 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: FL_engineer

Poor woman.

Posting pictures of her in this sad condition is just the violation of Terri's privacy that people fear most for themselves.

Who could think that anyone would want to be poster child for a bunch of zealots and wind up being pitied by millions of people by having such pictures spread across the world wide web.


79 posted on 02/25/2005 5:03:38 PM PST by KDD
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To: FL_engineer

The Father Pavone video is available at http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/resolve.asp?rafile=rock021805.rm .


80 posted on 02/25/2005 5:05:15 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: KDD

Why don't they let Dr. Hammesfahr treat her? There has been tremendous advances in treating brain injuries since the time of her accident. He has a standing offer that he will treat her for free. How does that sound to you?


81 posted on 02/25/2005 5:07:57 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: bjs1779
According to Assistant Professor of Neurology at Yale University School of Medicine:

Conclusion The theoretical basis for Hammesfahr's vasodilation treatment for stroke clashes with current knowledge about stroke physiology. In fact, the prevailing current belief is that such treatments should worsen stroke outcome, not improve it. I believe that vasodilation treatment for stroke patients should be done only as part of an approved peer-reviewed protocol that includes informed consent about the treatment's experimental status and possible risks. Because of the potential risk, I doubt that an institutional review board would permit such a study unless animal studies can demonstrate that the treatment is safe and potentially useful.

Ultrasound Monitoring of Stroke Patients

82 posted on 02/25/2005 5:20:16 PM PST by KDD
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To: KDD

The court said they were wrong. They tried to prove it and they lost in court. It is just that simple. I guess they can say anything they want and you can believe it if you choose. Bottom line is that Dr. Hammesfahr beat them with facts. His method is approved by Medicare - "Fully Approved".


83 posted on 02/25/2005 5:29:52 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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Connect the Dots ... for Terri

From "Terri Big Eyes" video available at www.terrisfight.org

Terri starts out apparently asleep. A doctor wakes her to start his tests.

Doctor: Terri. Open your eyes up...

Terri: (Startled at hearing her name. She starts moving her mouth and fluttering her eyes, like a person who is just waking up)

Doctor: Open your eyes, Terri open your eyes

Terri: (slowly at first, Terri struggles to open her eyes, then turns toward the doctor, and opens her eyes a normal amount)

Doctor: There you go, good.

Terri: (then, either to show off(?) or wanting to perform well, she leans further forward toward the doctor, looks straight at him and opens her eyes as WIDE AS SHE CAN. Note the WRINKLES ACROSS HER FOREHEAD caused by her also RAISING HER EYEBROWS as high as possible )

Doctor: [now obviously impressed] GOOD!! GOOD JOB! GOOD JOB YOUNG LADY! Good Job.



84 posted on 02/25/2005 6:00:41 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer
Nice pictures FL_engineer. Thanks. Looks like America to me!
85 posted on 02/25/2005 6:04:41 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: bjs1779; amdgmary
Great FREEP of Mikey's house! Thanks!

I especially liked the one of Mikey's MERCEDES the other day! I wish I could find it!

Mikey was nearly unemployable, and a SPONGE on Terri, living mostly off of her salary. Mikey was alledgedly fired from 6 jobs in two years; In one case after just two weeks.

But now, thanks to Terri's rehabilitation fund, he DRIVES a MERCEDES, lives in what looks like, from the air, a half-million dollar house, and it's complete with a large oval shaped pool!

The oval-shaped pool Terri's
REHABILITATION money
bought...
The oval-shaped pool Mikey
deserves...

86 posted on 02/25/2005 6:20:56 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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Excerpts from last weekend's "The World Over Live" - Interview with Bob Schindler...

Arroyo:    "Did you see black and blue marks on Terri? I've read that in several reports."
Schindler: "Yes, prior to her incident, yes."
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Bob S:  "A radiologist says that she had broken bones throughout her body, 
        and he kind of pinpointed to that timeframe in which she had the incident, 
        and either she was beaten up badly, or hit by a truck. We saw her
        the night before she collapsed, and she was fine."
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Arroyo: "Now once Terri was in this condition, there- I read elsewhere where he
        attacked- Michael may have attacked your daughter Suzanne. Is that correct?"
Bob S:  "He had a tendency to become very violent, yes, and he tried to attack 
        my daughter Suzanne. We had to really step in and protect her,  and she used
        to go to bed at night and lock her doors and keep a hammer under her bed. That
        she was that frightened."
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Arroyo: Jackie from Washington, you're on The World Over Live, what's your question Jackie?

Jackie: I want to know if anybody has considered having a criminal investigation  
        of her husband. It seems to me that, if for no other reason, because she was
        bruised, and other things that happened? The current wife is in danger, if 
        this man is bent on this type of thing.

Arroyo: There is also a girlfriend who accused him of stalking in 2001, 
        correct? either David [Gibbs] or mister Schindler?

Bob.S:  Yea, I can answer that... He was...  Mr.Gibbs mentioned about this malpractice suit
        when Michael Schiavo was asking, actually for 20 million dollars, and recited
        his wedding vows to the malpractice jury, and at the same time, he was having
        an intimate affair with this girl, her name is Cindy, who surfaced later 
        and that said Michael Schiavo was stalking her, actually had run her off the 
        road with her car. And she was afraid to testify in the courts for fear that, 
        she had since been married, that he would kill her children, quote unquote. 



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87 posted on 02/25/2005 6:23:20 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer

We'll be at Michael's house tomorrow for a peaceful protest.


88 posted on 02/25/2005 6:29:29 PM PST by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org & www.theempirejournal.com)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

OBJECTIVE FACTS????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is Hildys little ploy for attention. She doesn't get enough. There are NO objective facts on Hildys thread. You people are sick.


89 posted on 02/25/2005 6:30:33 PM PST by Lovergirl (A living Will isn't good enough. A Power of Attorney for Health Care leaves NO gray area)
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To: ladyjane; All; GeekDejure; Pegita; floriduh voter
>>Starving someone to death is murder. Plain and simple. I'm with you! and MILLIONS of other Americans agree!

If Terri dies, an autopsy would clear up TONS of allegations of abuse (which could prove a physical attack led to her murder), BUT MS has a standing court order, I believe to allow him to IMMEDIATELY cremate her with no autopsy.

The neurologist said she has fluid pushing down on her brain, and a crushed disk in her neck. He's seen thousands of patients with these conditions singularly, but only in ONE case did a patient have BOTH conditions, and that was a strangulation case.

The same medical expert also said Terri most likely does not need the feeding tube.

One C.n.a. even says she has fed Terri jello.


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90 posted on 02/25/2005 6:40:10 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Lovergirl
You people are sick.

Now how can we make friends like that? : )

91 posted on 02/25/2005 6:42:08 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: FL_engineer

Thank you for your wonderful posts and especially for the signs. God Bless every one of you who has taken the time to there, on behalf of Terri and on behalf of all of us.


92 posted on 02/25/2005 6:43:41 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: bjs1779

Thanks amdgmary. I like to see joy.


93 posted on 02/25/2005 6:45:13 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: KDD; Deo volente; Ohioan from Florida
And Judge Greer(R) just won reelection with nearly 70% of the vote.

And those who believed that America could be a free country and should stand up to England were a small minority among the colonists.

94 posted on 02/25/2005 6:47:49 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: bjs1779

Strike the above, it was supposed to go to a different thread.


95 posted on 02/25/2005 6:48:15 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: bjs1779

Suzanne looks joyful in the photo. She's a beautiful lady.


96 posted on 02/25/2005 6:48:37 PM PST by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org & www.theempirejournal.com)
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To: BykrBayb
USELESS EATERS
97 posted on 02/25/2005 6:53:43 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: bjs1779
I love that story!

Not only Terri is responsive, But she is developing the HOTS for the hunk LAWYER!!! LOL!!!
Teriffic, we need videos!


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98 posted on 02/25/2005 7:03:19 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer

I need you when you have time, please freepmail me.


99 posted on 02/25/2005 7:06:32 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Say, OfF... do you get the distinct impression the ghoul's tag-team on this thread who keep pushing the 'official' GREER/FELOS propaganda, just might work for this lawyer from HELL?

  FlushYouFelos.gif
100 posted on 02/25/2005 7:07:40 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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