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Terri's Ordeal Compared to Christ's Crucifixion
CNSNews ^ | 3/22/05 | Susan Jines

Posted on 03/22/2005 9:49:25 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Terri Schiavo's mother Mary Schindler is like another Mary -- forced to watch her child die, a spiritual adviser to the Schindler family said on Tuesday.

Brother Paul O'Donnell spoke on Tuesday after a federal judge refused an emergency request to reinsert Terri's feeding and hydration tube.

"During this week, as we look to Good Friday, all Mary the mother of Christ could do was stand at her child's side. He was condemned by unjust courts, the same way Terri Schaivo is being condemned to die by court order.

"We pray that this modern-day crucifixion will not happen and we have faith that Terri will be liberated, and we are not giving up hope," O'Donnell added.

Terri's parents are described as devout Roman Catholics.

In comments outside the Pinellas Park, Fla., hospice, O'Donnell said what's happening inside is heart-breaking:

"Her own mother cannot offer her daughter an ice chip in her mouth to make her comfortable," he said. "Her own mother, in the United States of America, cannot go in and comfort her and prop pillows under her, or rub lotion to her body. Her own mother cannot be at her side without being watched by armed police officers -- in the United States of America."


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To: onyx; Howlin; Hildy; Poohbah; hchutch; veronica; BigSkyFreeper; Neets; All
"Unconscionable."

Yep. But then, so was pushing the FedGov into this mess, calling for the National Guard to be deployed, demanding that MS, Greer, and almost every Florida judge and cop be arrested fo rno reason, slandering someone absent any reliable proofs, attacking other FReepers as "Death Trolls, Death Merchants, Murderers, Devils, etc.", embracing Bo Gritz and his flying Nazi monkey brigade, lying, misquoting, repeating falsehoods as truth, etc, etc, etc...

All of which have been done, repeatedly.

People have been loudly claiming that "It's Worth It To Save TERRI!". I guess that also means it was worth selling their souls, because it seems that they've truly "made the Deal".

51 posted on 03/22/2005 12:53:11 PM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
And what would you have President Bush do?

I'm not sure, but I think it has something to do with the South Portico and a bowl of water.

52 posted on 03/22/2005 12:55:23 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Long Cut
People have been loudly claiming that "It's Worth It To Save TERRI!". I guess that also means it was worth selling their souls, because it seems that they've truly "made the Deal".

These folks have exposed their abject lack of an ethical core, a common failing in America today.

53 posted on 03/22/2005 12:57:39 PM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: Long Cut

Randal Terry; you forgot him.


54 posted on 03/22/2005 12:58:57 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

I usually try to.


55 posted on 03/22/2005 1:00:53 PM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Long Cut


Yep.
Nasty and convoluted.


56 posted on 03/22/2005 1:01:46 PM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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To: Poohbah; Howlin; Peach
I know. All I can do is hope that JimRob sees this crap going on and decides that enough is enough.

Anyone with an ounce of reason can see that the Republican party is getting KILLED over this in the polls. We have achieved so much in the past decade, and now it's getting turned to dog meat because of this. I've spoken to almost a dozen Sailors in the past few days, all of whom WERE solid Pubbies, and all of whom are now switching to Independant or Libertarian. This was the last straw to them. They have correctly seen this as a comedy of errors that COULD have, SHOULD have, been avoided.

The political dimension is only the start, though. After all the acrimony and half-mad vitriol, here and elsewhere, the whole of the Right is facing a crack-up, bigtime. Anyone denying that is delusional.

Everyone always carps about making the GOP "stick to its principles". Well, the vast perception is now that it has none that are not subject to change at the whims of its most extreme members...exactly like the Dims.

Frankly, I don't see how the damage can be repaired, either here OR in the conservative movement.

57 posted on 03/22/2005 1:10:02 PM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Poohbah; Long Cut

I agree with both of you.

If you only knew the number of people in town who have called me and are VERY upset that the Republicans have pushed this matter, you'd fear for our party. That doesn't count my e-mails and the conversation at the gym today in our staunchly conservative town. No one was exercising by the time the conversation was 5 minutes old. They were ALL complaining.

It's tearing FR apart too.

I've been called a Nazi and worse and so have other freepers. It's gotten ridiculous.


58 posted on 03/22/2005 1:18:17 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Long Cut
exactly like the Dims.

Yep, the view is particularly vivid when your standing out here in the middle of the road.

59 posted on 03/22/2005 1:25:09 PM PST by NY-YANK
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To: Peach; Poohbah
Peach, it's gotten downright dangerous. I just passed over a couple of threads and saw direct death threats against MS, which were NOT deleted.

Pooh, we REALLY need to adjust those odds. I also saw people calling for Greer's head.

60 posted on 03/22/2005 1:37:23 PM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Long Cut; Poohbah; Howlin; Hildy; veronica; Neets; Peach; mhking; onyx; rdb3; Dales; ...

To be honest, I have to agree.

I'm starting to fear the culture warriors as much as I fear folks like John Kerry, Janet Reno, and Al Gore. That's just how it is. I don't like abortion, I don't like some of these imperial judges, but this has turned into a mess. I have seen the long knives out for RICK SANTORUM of all people.

If Buckhead's Post 47 and taking down Dan Rather was the high point of Free Republic, the Terri Schiavo situation is rapidly becoming Free Republic's low point, in my opinion. It gives me NO PLEASURE to say this, but I feel compelled to say so.


61 posted on 03/22/2005 1:48:28 PM PST by hchutch ("But, Rally, they're SMOKE GRENADES.")
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To: Long Cut; Poohbah; Howlin; Hildy

To put a Clausewitzian gloss on hchutch's remarks, Free Republic has passed its culminating point.


62 posted on 03/22/2005 1:51:56 PM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: hchutch
I find it blasphemoous to compare any human to Christ. It makes all of us who are concerned about this situation look llike nut-cases.

I have pretty much said my piece about this. I am not going to get into arguments with people or disparage people on either side.

63 posted on 03/22/2005 2:13:41 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
I find it blasphemoous to compare any human to Christ. It makes all of us who are concerned about this situation look llike nut-cases.

I'm not at all comfortable with that, either. Having said that, I've seen a certain politician compared to Christ here - so better her than him, I suppose.

64 posted on 03/22/2005 2:23:54 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Gnome sayin'?)
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To: Howlin

People are losing control. I don't want her to die, but someone here called for a petition for sainthood today.

Just...out there.


65 posted on 03/22/2005 2:48:56 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Gnome sayin'?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Oh Good Lord!! That's IT!

"Save Terri" advocates are officially nuts now.


66 posted on 03/22/2005 2:51:47 PM PST by I Gig Gar (Hey DUhhh. BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!)
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To: hchutch

I couldn't agree with you more.


67 posted on 03/22/2005 2:55:34 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Long Cut

Well, if this is what FR has become, so be it. I thought we were better than that and was proud of this place. Not anymore.


68 posted on 03/22/2005 2:57:49 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Well, I've been told in no uncertain terms I'm a member of the FR Death Squad.


69 posted on 03/22/2005 2:59:37 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Wow. I didn't know there was such a thing. I gotta get up to speed. : )


70 posted on 03/22/2005 3:15:39 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Gnome sayin'?)
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To: Long Cut

I really have no words for this, none.


71 posted on 03/22/2005 3:17:51 PM PST by Neets
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Call the 11th circuit court of appeals in Atlanta. Tell the clerk where you're calling from and say politely that you are begging the court to save Terri Schiavo's life.

That # is 404-335-6100 .


72 posted on 03/22/2005 3:18:07 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Terri Schiavo is my hero!!!)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Yes, I have seen that, and I don't like that, either.


73 posted on 03/22/2005 3:24:16 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin

You know what I want to know. We all know that Rush, Sean etc., get their talking points from FR.

And since so many of the posts around here are pure gobbleygook, that's what Sean and Rush have been spouting.

I wonder how many of the posters around here spreading the more malicious of the lies about this matter are newbies or old sleeper cells and are deliberately creating dissension on Free Republic. Reporters from the Washington Post, for example.

Because truly, Freepers used to be much smarter than this.

Now I have people asking if people on dialysis should be put to death too. It's gotten more and more ridiculous and I just don't think all these freepers are that dumb. They are being egged on by some core group.


74 posted on 03/22/2005 3:26:22 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Yeah I am pretty new here (posting not lurking) but the whole deal just scares me. I avoid posting in any thread relating to "Terri" because any rational thought is shot down.

Sad to say it but finally when either she passes on or custody is given to her parents this will not end.


75 posted on 03/22/2005 3:33:05 PM PST by dominic7
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To: Peach

Speak for yourself: I haven't posted gobbleygook at all. :-)


76 posted on 03/22/2005 3:34:16 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: Long Cut

I agree that the extremist rhetoric doesn't help much, but why do you dispute the federal role in the case? I have no problem with that at all.


77 posted on 03/22/2005 3:35:57 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: Long Cut

Why do you overstate the damage to the GOP? I don't think there is much evidence that this will have any residual impact on the GOP much past a month from now, let alone the 2005, 2006, or 2008 elections.


78 posted on 03/22/2005 3:37:12 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

A*s.


79 posted on 03/22/2005 3:38:27 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
A*s.

*curtseys*

80 posted on 03/22/2005 3:46:23 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Miss Marple
t makes all of us who are concerned about this situation look llike nut-cases.

Yes, it does. But it's too late, FR has gone over the top already. So at this point, I don't believe it matters. This will come back to haunt us. I promise.

81 posted on 03/22/2005 4:50:21 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy
Well, although I support the Schindlers, I think it not right for Freepers to tear into each other over this. All of us bring our own life experiences and faith to this issue, and emotions are running high.

I would caution everyone to think twice before posting, and consider that words once posted cannot be taken back.

And that goes for both sides, Hildy. People in the grip of anger often say words they regret. I hope to avoid doing that.

I would also point out that I have seen a lot of new people on the forums, stirring the pot.

82 posted on 03/22/2005 4:55:23 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: isthisnickcool

You're only supposed to consider how this affects the GOP's future. If saving this woman's life will cost some votes, well, she'll just have to be collateral damage in the all important political wars. We must keep our prioties in order, don't you know.


83 posted on 03/22/2005 8:06:46 PM PST by Pelham
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To: TomSmedley
You're quite right. The idea of state-sanctioned killing started over a decade before the Nazis rose to power, and they simply used the legal apparatus the Weimar Republic unwisely provided them. It all depends on how you define a "life unworthy of being lived".

1920 A jurist, Professor Binding, and a psychiatrist, Professor Hoche, publish the book, Die Freigabe der Vernichtung lebensunwerten Lebens (The sanctioning of the destruction of lives unworthy of being lived). (Science)

http://www.humanitas-international.org/holocaust/1920tbse.htm

84 posted on 03/22/2005 8:19:40 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

If I wasn't witnessing this fanantical, emotional meltdown I would have never believed it possible.

For the first time in my life I have a glimpse of how so many people could be mislead by the AntiChrist when that time comes.


85 posted on 03/23/2005 3:32:20 PM PST by Rebelbase (FR has gone "All Terri All The Time".)
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To: Howlin

This is what happens when we have no big, pulsating (Clinton) targets.


86 posted on 03/23/2005 9:23:25 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb
This is what happens when we have no big, pulsating (Clinton) targets.

Oh Deb...I'm so glad you're here.

Slap some sense into folks....ok?

87 posted on 03/24/2005 8:31:41 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Sigh...


88 posted on 03/24/2005 9:31:27 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: eddie willers

There's too many of 'em, Baby...I need back-up!!! (They pinch too.)


89 posted on 03/25/2005 12:07:31 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Miss Marple
Often impromptu emotions are very sincere.
90 posted on 03/25/2005 7:38:39 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
This is so far beyond the pale...it makes me ill.

What about the thousands of mothers around the world that may be watching their child die?

Don't they matter?

91 posted on 03/27/2005 12:32:34 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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