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Does Iran Already Have Nuclear Weapons? (From Various Sources)
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Posted on 02/15/2006 5:19:42 AM PST by maquiladora

With all the talk of Iran being anything from a few months to a decade away from producing their own nuclear weapons, you may be surprised to find that there is a great deal of material dating back several years which may prove or at least point to the fact that Iran already has nuclear weapons and has had them for some time.

I will present below the evidence from various sources, with links to the full articles.

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"Iran does have nuclear weapons", General Yuri Baluyevsky, the Russian Deputy Chief of Staff told journalists, adding: "Of course, these are non-strategic nuclear weapons. I mean these are not ICBMs with a range of more than 5,500 kilometers and more. But as a military man, I see no danger of aggression against Russia by Iran."
http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2002/Jun_2002/iran_has_nuke_6602.htm

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Goss, who came to Ankara just after FBI Director Robert Mueller’s visit, brought up Iran’s alleged attempts to develop nuclear weapons. It was said that Goss first told Ankara that Iran has nuclear weapons and this situation was creating a huge threat for both Turkey and other states in the region.
http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2005/12/turkey-goss-reportedly-told-ankara.html

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According to Iranian government documents in Israel's possession, Iran received several nuclear warheads from a former Soviet republic during the early 1990s, THE JERUSALEM POST reported.
The documents have been deemed authentic by United States congressional experts and are still being studied in Israel. They contain correspondence between Iranian government officials and leaders of Iran's Revolutionary Guards that discusses Iran's successful efforts to obtain nuclear warheads from former Soviet republics. The documents appear to bolster reports from 1992 that Iran received enriched uranium and up to four nuclear warheads from Kazakhstan, with help from the Russian underworld.

http://www.fas.org/news/iran/1998/980409-iran2.htm

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Despite the fact that the CIA recently reported that Iran was only 10 years away from acquiring a nuclear bomb, Timmerman said Iran has had the capability to produce the necessary fissile material since 1995. That’s when China gave Iran the blueprints to build a uranium conversion facility.
Timmerman postulated that in the last 10 years, Iran has been able to make enough fissile material for 20 to 25 nuclear bombs.

http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2005/11/10/news/local/iran1111.txt

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Guiora, who holds dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship, served for 19 years in the Israel Defense Forces Judge Advocate General Corps. He has negotiated repeatedly with the Palestinians, including the safe passage agreement between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
Both he and Brauner maintain that Iran, not the Palestinians, present the gravest threat to Israel. Iran has nuclear warheads, scattered in some 20 sites, Guiora said. This makes it difficult to remove them in a single strike, as Israel did by bombing Iraq’s nuclear reactor near Baghdad in 1981.

http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2006/02/01/news/local/bcover0127.txt

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1992 Iran acquires nuclear weapons "ready for immediate use" from CIS countries, according to the German weekly Focus. The weapons are reportedly "an atom bomb which can be dropped from an airplane and a launcher for missiles with nuclear warheads."
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1869.html

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February 1992. The Washington, DC-based Defense and Foreign Affairs Strategic Policy newsletter reports Iran is within two months of reassembling nuclear warheads acquired from the former Soviet Union. Iran has hired nuclear scientists from Kazakhstan.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1869.html

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March 1992. A US Republican task force reports that Iran has possessed all of the necessary components to build a nuclear bomb since December 1991.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1869.html

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March 1992. Paul Muenstermann, vice president of the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND), says that Iran received two of three nuclear warheads and medium-range nuclear delivery systems that are missing from Kazakhstan. Iranian officials and the commander of the CIS Joint Armed Forces reject these claims. Russian General Victor Samoilov, however, who handles disarmament issues for the CIS general staff, admits that three nuclear warheads were missing from Kazakhstan. Also, Iran allegedly purchased four 152mm nuclear shells from the former Soviet Union, which were allegedly stolen and sold by former Soviet Army officers. The Iranian Foreign Ministry denies these allegations. Lt. General Sergey Zalentsov, senior commander of the United Armed Forces of the CIS and deputy-in-charge of all CIS nuclear arms, also rejects the reports. Iran reportedly received the warheads from Kazakhstan through Bulgaria. However, Iran did not receive the necessary launch codes or missiles capable of carrying the warheads.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1869.html

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US magazine US News and World Report quotes an unidentified high-ranking Russian officer as substantiating a US intelligence report that three short-range nuclear weapons have disappeared from an arsenal in Kazakhstan. The US magazine reports the weapons have been sold to Iran.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1869.html

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April 1992. The European of London reports that the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service has said that Iran definitely received two warheads stolen from Semipalatinsk. The report says that the organization selling the weapons had ties to Kazakhstan President Nursaltan Nazarbayev.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1869.html

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May 1992 Russian television reports that Russian intelligence has told the CIA that two nuclear warheads from Semipalatisk, Khazakhstan, were sold to Iran and another unknown Middle East country with the permission of Kazakhstani President Nazarbayev. The warheads are of a capacity ranging from 2 to 5 kilotons.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1869.html

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December 1992, Two Iranian diplomats discuss via telephone the acquisition of four nuclear warheads by Iran from one of the Central Asian republics of the former Soviet Union. The two diplomats are identified as an Iranian Foreign Ministry official Abdolrahmani, who is in charge of relations with the Central Asian republics of the former Soviet Union, and Iranian Deputy Sirus Nasiri Tabatabai-Kia, who is second in command in the Iranian delegation to United Nations institutions and international organizations in Geneva. In the tapped phone conversation between Abdolrahmani and Tabatabai-Kia, which is obtained from an European intelligence service, Abdolrahmani confirms that one of the Muslim republics of the former Soviet Union sold four warheads to Iran. Tabatabai-Kia notes that the purchases "completed their mission in the best possible way." Abdolrahmani says that the warheads had not arrived because of a problem with transportation, and that he does not know how much the warheads cost because "some other guy arranged the issue of the payment." In the course of the conversation, the names of Iranian President Rafsanjani's brother-in-law Hajj Mohsen Rafij, and the Iranian defense minister Akbar Torkan are mentioned in connection with the sale.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1869.html

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March 1993, The Arms Control Reporter reports that by December 1991, Iran had imported four nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union, including a nuclear artillery shell, two nuclear warheads that could be launched on Scud missiles, and one nuclear weapon that could be delivered by a MiG-27 aircraft. The report says that fissile material was exported from Kazakhstan to Iran and the rest of the components were exported from other republics of the former Soviet Union through Turkmenistan. Although the codes to arm the warheads were not provided with the missiles, the report says two experts from Russia arrived to bypass arming codes.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1870.html

---------- 11 April 1998, Labor MK Rafi Elul says that Israel and the United States have suspected for years that Iran acquired nuclear weapons smuggled from the former Soviet Union. Elul reportedly met with an unknown US source, reportedly with longtime connections to the Israeli government, in March 1998 who said that in 1995 she gave both the CIA and Israel Iranian government documents on Iran's successful efforts to obtain nuclear weapons.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1875.html

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Following a series of Jerusalem Post articles saying that Iran acquired nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union, two US Congressmen, Jim Saxton and Bill McCollum, say that they have closely followed Iran's military programs and that Iran "has obtained nuclear weapons as well as established a ballistic missile command-and-control system to launch them."
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/1825_1875.html

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Given all these and probably a lot more documented reports out there, not to mention unknown amounts of classified reports, there can be little doubt that Iran already has nuclear weapons, and when you consider this in the context of a potential and likely future military attack on Iran by the US or Israel, then the importance of this is clear.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: iran; iraniannukes; nuclear

1 posted on 02/15/2006 5:19:45 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora

There's way to much rumor mongering going on about the Central Asian republics. If this were true and clear to US intelligence, why would the President be making a showdown over the enrichment process in Iraq now?

That really doesn't make any sense. Any military action would invite nuclear retaliation from the mullahs. They don't seem to dissuaded from MAD or any nuclear deterrent for that matter.

Although I feel they may in fact have a weapon, I thought it might have been through a combination of Chinese, Pakistani and illegally obtained material via the black market.

That's not comforting either. But the case if you can call it that here, is presented in a much worse light.

So why has Tehran not nuked Israel yet in the last five or so years? They seem like they can't wait to "wipe" them "off the map" which is about as close to a nuclear description of engagement as you can get.


2 posted on 02/15/2006 5:31:19 AM PST by romanesq
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To: romanesq
So why has Tehran not nuked Israel yet in the last five or so years? They seem like they can't wait to "wipe" them "off the map" which is about as close to a nuclear description of engagement as you can get.

The same reason why North Korea hasn't done the same to the South.

3 posted on 02/15/2006 5:47:31 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora

Of course but North Korea doesn't have a messianic religious driven death wish.


4 posted on 02/15/2006 5:52:40 AM PST by romanesq
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To: romanesq
It made not be religious, but its no less fanatical, in fact, I would say even more so.
Iran would have attacked Israel with its is known stockpiles of chemical weapons long ago if it truely had a hair trigger deathwish for a speed-date with the apocalypse.
Oh, they want to destroy Israel alright, but I think they are more patient about it than what their rhetoric indicates.
5 posted on 02/15/2006 7:12:11 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora

I hope something is done. Iran's president has a suicidal death wish. We will have no choice. The alternative is either a uclear exchange between Israel and Iran or NYC wiped off the map through al queda. Even without nukes it would be worth it to go in there and remove the mullahs because they are the world's biggest terrorist supporters.


6 posted on 02/15/2006 12:22:59 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Every single troll is now an enemy of the Republic!)
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To: maquiladora

I do not believe Iran has nuclear weapons.

I don't believe the Mossad believes they do, either.

Or the CIA.


7 posted on 02/15/2006 1:06:03 PM PST by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam)
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To: romanesq; All
"Of course but North Korea doesn't have a messianic religious driven death wish".

Iran's messianic death wish came to power on August 15th 2005 and it took time for Ahmadi-Nejad to place his IRGC Commanders into key posts and get himself and lunatic Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi positioned to remove Supreme Ruler Khamenei or former president Rafsanjani should they oppose the neo-Iran regime.

Rafsanjani's son was arrested in a show of power (later released when Rafsanjani backed down) and Khamenei believes his liver cancer comes from being poisoned.

As their readiness increased so did the threats. The old nuclear weapons Iran had acquired (around a dozen units) were not missile capable and nore of the dirty bomb use kind. What they are trying to develop is small powerful weapons they can put into their almost ready long range missile.

There are several simultaneous matters in play so simply eradicating Israel is only a showpiece not a true end all and be all for now. Not until other aims have been achieved by the neo-regime.

Destruction of Israel priority will change if Iran is attacked militarily.

8 posted on 02/16/2006 8:28:10 PM PST by FARS
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To: tomahawk; All

Wrong on all counts


9 posted on 02/16/2006 8:30:11 PM PST by FARS
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To: Thud

You are going to want to read this.


10 posted on 05/14/2006 10:27:40 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: FARS

You Idiot, then just wait till our fast, strong bombs and mesiles get the cursed nation of barbarians grazing in israel burnt like pigs and then you`ll feel the power of the land of great Persians. So long till then.


11 posted on 01/11/2009 5:50:44 AM PST by edvards
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To: edvards

WTF? was that?


12 posted on 01/11/2009 5:54:28 AM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: indylindy; All

An anti-Israel, Mullah troll attack. Poster joined today and did not like info posted by FARS (#8)


13 posted on 01/11/2009 1:24:06 PM PST by FARS
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To: FARS; All

H-e-l-l-o Yep, SOB was a Muslim traitor or a democrat, hard to tell the freakin’ difference. I am shocked that many FReepers missed this one!


14 posted on 01/11/2009 1:47:04 PM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: FARS

FReepers need to know what that piece of trash said. His post should have not been removed.

This is what we are up against!


15 posted on 01/11/2009 1:49:17 PM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: indylindy; Admin Moderator

Post # 11 needs to be put back so FReepers can know what is happening and what they are up against.

Post #11 was an eye opener


16 posted on 01/11/2009 1:57:57 PM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: maquiladora

Iran won’t do any testing like everyone else does.

The Iranian Nuclear Test site will be Israel.


17 posted on 01/11/2009 2:01:12 PM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: indylindy

The troll was nuked, so all his posts were automatically removed. Your suggestion of restoring the post is a good one, though. Post restored.


18 posted on 01/11/2009 2:06:27 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks. I was appalled and also shocked into reality. This should make people aware and ready to defend. They are amongst us.

Thanks mod.


19 posted on 01/11/2009 2:13:20 PM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: indylindy

Welcome.


20 posted on 01/11/2009 2:14:55 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator; Liz; DoughtyOne; TommyDale

Look at this FRiends. post #11


21 posted on 01/11/2009 2:18:56 PM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: indylindy; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; 5Madman2; ...

The removal was secondary to the troll being banned - as has happened.

He basically accused me of being an idiot, which is fine, I can take that, but he went on to call Israelis pigs and grazers who would be barbecued by missiles sent into Israel by powerful Iran. That was over the top.

The above is perhaps more politely stated than how he wrote his clearly furious post. Also trying to hide/mis-direct his islamic Mullah ties by using “Persian” instead of “Iranian” to describe the launches.

Amazingly he was refering to my post that was made probably a couple of years ago, not long after August 2005 when Ahmadi-Nejad the Turd became the “selected” president of islamic iran and started his grab for power.

If it came from a Democrat, and it may well have, it was an Iranian one based on language and use of wording. There are a ton of pro-Mullah Iranians, both resident and sent here exactly for the purpose of launching such attacks on anyone who is either anti-Obama or anti-Mullah.

Worse still, which has given us pause to attacking Iran, is the estimated over 40,000 (probably more now) suiciders who have been infiltrated into our population.

Mostly by our own stupidity of allowing almost unlimited student visas (via Mullah operated schools) or mullah sympathetic universities and as religious leaders for the mushrooming mosques.

Reports reaching AntiMullah indicate that more than a dozen major Universities and an equal number of secondary ones have been infiltrated by over a hundred (each) of highly trained, active AGENTS (including some more senior ones who arrive as a plush retirement type of position here) of the islamic Ministry of Information and Security (MOIS) - or VEVAK in Farsi as permanent students who never graduate but are there, as Sleepers, to influence their student bodies and control the suiciders if ever the need arises.


22 posted on 01/11/2009 2:24:52 PM PST by FARS
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To: indylindy; ExTexasRedhead

post #11 will sicken you, Friend.


23 posted on 01/11/2009 2:27:46 PM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: indylindy

IMO, some of this provides the reason why we haven’t taken Iran to task before now. They may have workable warheads in upwards of 20 locations. Thus a strike might put Israel in danger of having to survive at least one warhead dropped on it’s soil

Of course that would put Iran at risk of having Israel only knows how many dropped on it’s soil.

That’s one risk by Iran, I wouldn’t want to take if I were them. Israel would punish any nation that attacked it with nukes. And I mean kick their ass all the way back to the stone age.

Iran is playing a losing game here. The other Arab states don’t want it to have nukes. israel would be doing them all a favor, to eliminate a real threat from Iran.


24 posted on 01/11/2009 2:29:27 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I see that Kenya's favorite son has a new weekly Saturday morning radio show.)
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To: indylindy

Ouch. No animosity there...

Unfortunately, too often that mindset is what Israel is dealing with.


25 posted on 01/11/2009 2:31:52 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I see that Kenya's favorite son has a new weekly Saturday morning radio show.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Much too often, conservatives like us try to deal with common sense, which is the sane approach. That post is what we are really dealing with. It is frightening.

In guess we need to relize that these people are not dealing in the same realm of reality that we are.

I admit. That post was an eye opener. I guess we need to think outside the box.


26 posted on 01/11/2009 2:39:22 PM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: FARS
Rafsanjani's son was arrested in a show of power (later released when Rafsanjani backed down) and Khamenei believes his liver cancer comes from being poisoned.

Interesting - the way I read it - some Iranian has figured out a way to give enemies cancer - and Khamenei knows about it. It's why he thinks someone did it to him. I mention this because there have been times I've been concerned about the high number of freepers who die of highly aggressive cancers...

27 posted on 01/11/2009 2:52:07 PM PST by GOPJ ("A consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact." - - Einstein (take that Al Gore))
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To: maquiladora
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613696/posts
Dancing with Uranium



28 posted on 01/11/2009 2:52:29 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: FARS
How scary....yet our government priority right now seems to be expanding wildlife and re-naming dinosaur bones.
29 posted on 01/11/2009 3:16:02 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: FARS

bump


30 posted on 01/11/2009 3:34:40 PM PST by BARLF
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To: edvards; FARS
You Idiot, then just wait till our fast, strong bombs and mesiles get the cursed nation of barbarians grazing in israel burnt like pigs and then you`ll feel the power of the land of great Persians. So long till then.

Hey you Persian prick, you've already been nuked here on FR, but just wanted to let you know that your beloved Assahollah Khomeini is performing fellatio on Mohammed while slowly turning over Lucifer's 24/7 BBQ Pit & Spit, along with all the other deluded Islamofascist fools who thought they were headed for paradise when they climbed aboard that Muslim Martyr Train, now get back underneath Adhmadinejad's burqa and if you can find his puny little 'mesile', just keep him grinning ya dumb azz.

[FARS? thanks for the ping-a-ling, flaming even a dead troll like 'edvards' made my day! lol]
31 posted on 01/11/2009 3:39:46 PM PST by mkjessup ("An empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Hussein Obama got out")
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To: edvards

Hey, are you in the right century or back in the 7th as islam dictates.


32 posted on 01/11/2009 4:58:45 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: maquiladora

No, or the Mullahs would have already exploded one in a bally-hooed test to make a point.


33 posted on 01/11/2009 5:07:01 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


34 posted on 01/11/2009 7:59:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: indylindy

Keeping our nose to the grind-stone like we do, I’m surprised this one slipped by to this degree. We are way out of the loop on this one. Outside the box indeed...


35 posted on 01/12/2009 2:53:13 AM PST by DoughtyOne (I see that Kenya's favorite son has a new weekly Saturday morning radio show.)
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To: DoughtyOne

No doubt these enemies are feeling emboldened by the selection of out new muslim named, pro appeasement, Dear Leader.


36 posted on 01/12/2009 3:35:34 AM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: FARS

Stick to your guns FARS...We got your back...


37 posted on 01/12/2009 3:49:14 AM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: indylindy
I share your concern about what foreign powers think of Obama.  The terrorists have got to love the idea that he is going to grant them full recognition, by opening direct talks.  They've won that prize without so much as the mention of a concession on our part.  All in a day's work?  No!  They didn't have to do anything for this gift.  They just kill innocents, and our fearless leader grants them a seat at the table with the premier anti-terrorist nation on the planet.  Imagine what they will get from lesser nations after this.  I shudder to think.

The promise of Obama to those who have half a clue, is Jimmy Carter to the X.  Carter screwed up Iran so badly, that we are dealing with the aftermath some 30 years later.  This Iranian aspect of Carter's foreign policy destabalized the entire region.  Iran subsequent to Carter's briliance, makes Pakistan, Afghanistan, (formerly more so, but still) Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Palestine, and Israel less stable.  And that's just the Middle-East.  Players associated with and influenced by Iran, destablize all of Europe and even the United States to a certain degree.  Southern Asia, and even China are affected negatively.  So is Russia, whether it wants to admit it or not.  The followers of Islam know no personal limits.  They carry out terrorism on a scale that knows no bounds.  Russia could see more school takeovers, acts of terrorism in it's souther region.  It's playing a death match with Iran, and it hasn't a clue.  We lived in a much less complex world in the mid to late 1970s.  Obama could screw up regions on a scale never seen before.  He could accidently mastermind five or more new Irans.

Carter thought he was a great Christian.  And so he thought it would be well to rule as one.  That premise isn't so bad.  In fact it's a good premise.  Unfortunately, Carter's good motives turned into incredibly misguided practice.  Obama, comes from the same mold.  His followers think of him as the One.  It's scarey how nieve this guy is, and yet his followers and the media are convinced a new day has dawned, a better day by far.  In fact, the new day has dawned, and it's the dawn of a more dangerous planet by a factor of five.  And it's that dangerous, because Obama plans to learn on the run.  He has no experience.  He has no solid leadership around him.  His advisors are loons.  His appointees are loons.  His international views examplify what a loon he is.  Good luck doesn't begin to cover it.  We're in a world of hurt as a nation with him at the helm, and the planet is going to suffer because of it.

I shudder to think what this next four years could turn into.  One thing is for certain.  As bad as Obama is, and will be, the media will cover for him 24/7/365x4.  He could screw us fatally, and the current MSM would give this guy continuous accolades until election day 2012.

Good luck Uncle Sam.  You're going to need it.

38 posted on 01/12/2009 4:07:51 AM PST by DoughtyOne (I see that Kenya's favorite son has a new weekly Saturday morning radio show.)
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To: tomahawk; FARS; maquiladora
I don't believe Iran hasNukes as the Pakis wouldn't want a Shia state next to them to be packing. There will be a showdown between Iran and Pakistan-Afghanistan soon as Shi'ism is now resurgent.

Attacking Iran is not a good option, I'd rather see more efforts spent in bringing up Persian pride in areas we can control -- namely Tajik and Uzbek parts of Central Asia (Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan) and if possible into Turkmenistan.

These people should be taught that they have a glorious history prior toIslazm and Arabnationalism and learn that they have, since then, just deteriorated. Once they start asking themselves more questions like that, it is time to remind them that they were Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Chaldean-Christian before this and that by rejecting the imposed foreign religion they can return to days as the center of civilisation.

Spread this and spread propaganda INTO Iran. Iranis are a proud people, we should use that to make them rise up against the yoke of theAyatollahs AndIslam
39 posted on 01/12/2009 4:16:24 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: edvards
The land of the great Persians, of Cyrus the Great, of Darius, of the Elamites and the Medes and the Parthians. These great people now turn their heads in shame to see their lands under the yoke of a moon-worshipping cult that keeps the Persian people depressed and decayed, at the bottom of the civilised world instead of at the top.

These great ones would sneer that madmen like Ahmedinejad and Khamenei now "lead" their people.
40 posted on 01/12/2009 4:19:02 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: indylindy; FARS
burnt like pigs

The mahound has been smelling too much bacon methinks...
41 posted on 01/12/2009 4:20:44 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: DoughtyOne

Thinking about this leaves me with a feeling of unease come January 20th. As we speak, the Obama “court jester”, Joe Biden, is in the mideast saying and doing God knows what.

Nothing good will come of it.


42 posted on 01/12/2009 4:29:51 AM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: indylindy

The only good thing, is that people will finally get to see where the Democrats want to lead us. If this belly-full doesn’t wake those people up, nothing will.


43 posted on 01/12/2009 4:49:59 AM PST by DoughtyOne (I see that Kenya's favorite son has a new weekly Saturday morning radio show.)
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To: mkjessup

Please don’t call that Izlammonutjob a Persian, call them Iranis — they and we reserve the term “Persian” to call non-Ayatollah fans


44 posted on 01/12/2009 4:56:56 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: indylindy

Actually, all the Mad Moos seem to be furious that our leader with the African first and last name and Arabic middle name, ISN’T one of them. Remember what OBL and his lapdogs called O.


45 posted on 01/12/2009 4:59:12 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: Cronos
Please don’t call that Izlammonutjob a Persian, call them Iranis — they and we reserve the term “Persian” to call non-Ayatollah fans

Noted. I'd like to think that true Persians would want nothing to with the Islamofascist poison that seized their country in '79.
46 posted on 01/12/2009 5:13:18 AM PST by mkjessup ("An empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Hussein Obama got out")
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To: mkjessup; indylindy; Liz; calcowgirl

ROTFLMBO!!!


47 posted on 01/12/2009 6:02:11 AM PST by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: FARS; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks FARS.


48 posted on 01/12/2009 6:36:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: FARS; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks FARS.


49 posted on 01/12/2009 6:51:10 AM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Given the numerous reports of missing nuclear material - it is clear that someone sure as hell does have them! - and the most likely buyer, and the most likely to be able to reprocess the nuclear material into workable weapons is going to be Iran. People have asked, why havn’t they used them then? - what are they waiting for?

To answer this you need to think like a Mullah ie a religious maniac - someone quite happy to send waves of 15yr old boys into battle as human minesweepers, armed with nothing more than a plastic ‘key to paradise’ around thier necks http://www.israel-palestina.info/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=106

A’jads spiritual mentor was Khomeini and let slip a very revealing quote (now deleted from all but the first editions of his speeches)

“We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”

–Ayatollah Ruhollah Musawi Khomeini

What did he have in mind exactly when he said that? - emerge from what? and where have the major powers dissappeared to, that leaves Islam triumphant?

A’jad being a devout 12ver has of course added a new spin, with as he has stated, the main goal of his regime being to ‘pave the way for the reappearance of the 12th Immam’ (who famously will only appear when the world has descended into complete chaos and misery)

It seems clear to me that thier intention is to spark a nuclear shooting match betwen the major powers that leaves them all crippled, with muslims left relativley unscathed to retore a global caliphate under the 12th immam.

Trouble is that Shia’s constite only 15% of muslims, whilst the Sunnis, thier bitter enemies, are busy colonising, and will eventually by sheer demographics, claim the West for themselves - leaving the Shia’s high and dry on the tides of history.

The Mullahs are uncertain how proactive they need to be in hastening the coming of the Mahdi - they would ideally like to force either the great or little Satans to attack it first - and then claiming the moral high ground, launch a well prepared mega terror assault, with thier aquired nukes on the US, Israel, Europe and whomever else they calculate would cause Armaggedon (probably Russian and Chinese cities as well)

This is why the ‘irrational’ behaviour towards Israel - incendiary rhetoric, threats, missile launches, nuclear processing - it’s all designed to force Israel into attacking Iran - and claim the leadership of the wider muslim world.

There is a great deal more I could say about this especially the intentions of Russia and China - but I truly wonder dooes the US intel even consider these scenarios and motivations? - or are they really as appearances would suggest, so totally incompetent and blinded by PC, that they are beyond all hope?


50 posted on 06/01/2009 9:10:41 PM PDT by zebbra
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