That was never my point. My point is that children are a benefit to society and to local communities. Childless people complaining about paying for education for other people’s children are clueless, and wrong. And, it’s been demonstrated on this thread, stupid.
That said, having children is a matter of personal choice. There is no higher freedom than personal freedom, that’s what makes the US great. I’d no sooner force people to have children than I would force them to have abortions.
wouldn't that bring into play an abusive situation, they adopt this kid, but they don't care about it, all they want is the personal power in having a kid.
This conjecture is so ‘out there’ that it’s hardly worth considering. Most people who adopt go to great expense and trouble. If they want ‘personal power’ they should get a dog and abuse it, its cheaper, quicker, and not nearly as regulated as child protection is.
It’s a basic part of the human make up to have children. It’s as basic and as important as breathing, its just part of existing. Sure, there’s the libertines and the lazy, as demonstrated on this thread, but they are denying themselves a basic and vital part of being human. People who adopt usually want to have a child to fulfill this human need, to truly maximize their existence, to help raise and guide the next generation.
worse case you would have people adopting kids, then neglecting and abusing and killing them for their own personal power. does this self worth of having kids end at some point, could say you have a kid till its 5, and then adopt it out, or it dies, or is murdered by the parents, do they still have more worth than a childless/childfree person. you will get people adopting just to get SS or to vote, and wont actually care about the kids. so abuse and neglect, and more screwed up humans, ad infinitum
This leads me to wonder: have you been abused? Is this grim outlook a result of your own experience?
That’s the downside to freedom, I suppose: many people abuse their freedom in ways that hurt others.