Posted on 04/26/2006 5:41:15 AM PDT by shortstop
WHAT THE HECK??????
Yes, but they were accepted with no proof of ID, etc.
That was not a perfect comparison by any means (they were quarantined, etc.)
I was making the point that there was little oversight of immigration for many years, and many were passed through that could not qualify today.
That is how rampant the fraud is....pretty pathetic.
>>Doom them to lives of poverty and see then how their sentiments change<<
So in your world, we OWE them?
Interesting to see how peoples' minds work.
Even more of an argument for a guest worker program that identifies illegals and issues them a number.
I will say, there is no excuse for a firm to encourage the hiring of illegals and then try to cover it up. If you submit the same SS# 4000 times, your ass should end up in jail.
I didn't say we owed them anything...but the fact is that many look to the US to escape poverty..
We were talking about driving Mexico towards Marxism. Hatred of the US sure would help another Chavez..
I don't blame him for the problem, only his toleration and willingness to incorporate these people into our society and economy. As for my taste, I don't give a cat's patootie about what the ROW thinks about the 'face' we are presenting. As far as I'm concerned we should be showing our ass to ROW.
"Driving Mexico to marxism"?........when you get time check out the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto vs. the Constitution and then decide for yourself which one our fedgov seems to be following.
No you are wrong. An HTML page about the governor of texas does not mean it was made clear to the voters for president what bush had in mine re immigration. No way, no how.
The very idea that you and the others are trying to pass this off as "everybody knew" is plain ridiculous. You are only fooling yourselves, and you will see come election.
Enjoy your HTML confidence.
So? Still waiting for an example of my use of hyperbole in this thread...
Truth is not hyperbole.
The President is upholding his oath. The institutions are in place to protect the border. They are being overrun... I understand that.
The President believes the best thing we can do is make them guest workers and give them the ability to come out of the dark so they can be documented and sent home after time.
So, when you post that the President is not upholding his oath...it's hyperbole. It is overstated, overwrought, over dramatic, and wrong. He isn't going to solve the problem in the way this thread thinks he should. But that difference in opinion doesn't mean he is shirking his oath or duty.
Open borders is a capitalist free market principle. But at times, the mercantilist enemies of capitalism find it convenient to profit form it. There are many types of pro-immigration Republicans that form a coalition of strange bedfellows... not to mention the Dems and other strange bedfellows.
1. Libertarian Republicans like me and Eric Dondero are free market capitalist pro-immigration Republicans.
2. Compassionate conservaties include Bush and here in IL St Rep Froehlich, St Sen Rauschenberger and others.
3. Mercantilists who believe that the government should "help"... help business, help poor people, help whomever.
4. Businessmen who like the willing workers.
5. PTA (soccer) moms who are afraid of being called "racist"... and who like to call others that.
6. Karl Rove types who see a large bloc of people who are very conservative in their value system.
The other side(s) also are coalitions of strange bedfellows, including many Dems and others. The Dem base is very divided on the issue. Leaders like Hilary are doing focus groups and polling to find out what their position on the issue is.
"and how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country. "
I don't dispute that these laws may be on the books. But where is your proof that they are enforced. I've gone to Mexico 'illegally' several times with full knowledge of at least some officials. It didn't seem their custom to enforce much of anything.... except for a couple looking for leverage to get a bribe from a naive tourist. I've had offers of jobs in Mexico (which my ex-Mexican wife rejected for me). There was no expectation that any kind of enforcement of anything would block my employment there.
And you sound oblvious to the problem. ; )
Right, that's my point. Crime pays in this way.
We'll be large part Spanish speaking in this country soon. It can only fragment us, not bring us together.
My previous post went right over your head. Know-Nothing nativism reigns!
re: "No immgration laws during ... Early immigration laws came in in the late 1800's"
There have always been immigration laws. There have not always been immigration papers and bureaucracies. Each immigrant was presumed (more or less) innocent of the "immigration laws" until proven guilty.
There have always been laws against people of low moral character from immigrating to the USA, including murderers, robbers, rapists, prostitutes, drug addicts, homosexuals and other undesireables. Up for debate in the early years was whether Catholics and other non-Christians were people of low moral character. My ancestors insisted that anyone who served alcohol in church and approved of the use of alcohol in the home was inherently immoral.
1800-1840 my ancestors came up the bay between PA and MD and walked off the boat into PA. They were called weird but nobody asked them for "papers". Many of them still don't vote because that is "too worldly". (Rove is pandering for their votes in PA also.)
Please don't tell me you think the R's are going to get more than a handful of those voters for decades to come!
This country will be swamped with liberals. Or is that the true motive of the open borders crowd after all?
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