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Would McCain beat Obama or Hillary?
Mac's Mind ^ | Feb. 08, 2008

Posted on 02/08/2008 8:24:54 AM PST by jdm

Patrick Ruffini says McCain can ram the hell out of Obama at the polls on November 2nd.

“‘I’m beginning to think Obama might be the easier candidate for McCain to beat. Why? Because there could be no clearer contrast on the Commander-in-Chief test.”

Actually I think Mickey Mouse could be Obama on the COC test, but that’s not the point. Those who are supporting McCain are - after selective amnesia on his record - doing so only because they see him beating Hillary or Obama in November.

Well duh! Of course that the task, but the fact remains that right now with Democrats out voting Republicans 2-1 and raising more enthusiasm and money, it’s not likely McCain at this point beats either, regardless of the wishful thinking.

Look, we’re all concerned with the GWOT and judges and taxes and other conservative issues. I’ve pointed out, as have people like Bob Novak have also pointed out, that McCain offers no guarantee that he would select totally Alito judges, and in fact would most likely find consensus nominees (O’Connor, Souter).

Again, time for that gut check, where are your principals. Those who had to drink a gallon of Pepto Bismal every time they thought of McCain six months ago are singing his praises today. As I said yesterday, all that shows is a lack of intestinal fortitude worthy of the flip-flop charge hurled at John Kerry four years ago.

Standing on principals instead of personality politics, is what the Reagan Revolution is all about.

UPDATE: David Limabugh to critics of the critics of McCain - “Chill out!

“McCain isn’t winning a majority of Republicans, much less conservative ones, and is relying heavily on Democrat crossovers and independents, not to mention a little help from his friends Mike Huckabee and the mainstream media.

It’s easy for moderates to argue that critics of moderates are extreme. That’s what moderates always say. They have been complaining about conservatism since I was wearing a “Goldwater for President” T-shirt.

They’ve said for years that the only way Republicans can win elections is to move to the center. Their opinion is not based on convincing data but wishful thinking. History is not their friend. Republicans win big with conservative ideas, provided they have inspiring candidates. Moderate ideas dilute the message and deflate the movement, zapping it of its verve and enthusiasm.”

Amen, and I’ll have move on this “takeover” later.


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To: Preachin'
That being said, I think McCain beats either of the two.

McCain can’t beat you and me.

Bush was VERY well liked before 04.
He had the power of the incumbency.
He had the power of the party untied with him.
He ran virtually uncontested and with tons of money.
He had the 110% support of the broken glass republicans who came out in forces and unity, working their asses off to GOTV and bring in every dime.

And still he came within one contested state of losing to an uber liberal NOBODY from the cobalt blue states of the NE.

McCain is going to be steamrollered in a landslide that will leave people pointing fingers and mumbling nonsense.

It is perhaps better stated in this post on Malkin’s blog:

CPAC is a joke. Conservative Political Action Conference? Let’s see. Conservative speakers:

John McCain – WHAT?
Ron Paul – WTH?

Is this the best CPAC can do for conservatives? Sorry, I am at a loss.

Mark Steyn I understand. There are MANY conservatives that can be given a platform that make sense.
If conservatives are going to rally to the cause of conservatives then, we should rally conservatives to the cause and not bring in a liberal in sheep clothing to rally conservatives to a liberal's cause. Sheesh.

The Repubs in DC have torpedoed the conservative base. McCain will bury the remains when he picks someone like Rudy to be his VP.
At that point I will be inclined to say:

We deserve everything we get.

41 posted on 02/08/2008 10:15:13 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Goldwater and Gingrich

What do you think they will start with? I guess they call him a lier first, then stupid, his collage grades which were low.

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Who cares? There’s no difference between McCain and either of the Dems.


42 posted on 02/08/2008 10:17:01 AM PST by Whateverfor
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To: NavyCanDo

The best hope for the GOP is a stalemate at the DEM convention. Its a narrow hope, and its one that the GOP has no control over.

However, if the delegate count is close enough, with a slight Obama lead, but the superdelegates go to Clinton, then the dems will splinter badly. You see, democrats are racist at heart. If Clinton steals the election from Obama, blacks will cross-over to spite her. If Obama wins, some hispanics will cross over to McCain.


43 posted on 02/08/2008 10:17:06 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd

Another way of looking at that is the Dems VP choice. If Hillary wins, if she doesn’t pick Obama as VP she will really anger Obama’s black supporters and others who got excited about them running together at the last kissyfest debate. Down side for her if she does pick him is he will get more media attention than her and is a much better orator. She can’t stand being upstaged by anyone.

However if he wins I don’t think he needs her at all, and by not choosing her I don’t think he will do his run too much harm.


44 posted on 02/08/2008 10:34:53 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: HamiltonJay

Source, please. I’m prepared to believe you, but would like to see the numbers.


45 posted on 02/08/2008 12:52:44 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Amnesty! Taxes! Censorship! Jihadi Rights! Gay Marriage! NY Times Endorsed! McCain!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

The 4 Million to 4.7 million are the McCain v Romney numbers, they have been reported in many places, this is a copy of a story mentioning them in Christian Science Monitor.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0208/p25s07-uspo.html


46 posted on 02/08/2008 1:02:25 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
"4.7 Million votes to 4 Million votes is NOT a minor plurality my friend.. he’s gotten 20% more of the votes."

4.7 Million votes for McCain is a plurality. The definition of a plurality is the winner with the largest number of votes that is also less than an outright majority of 50%.

My point stands. McCain has not won a majority of Republicans.

47 posted on 02/08/2008 1:48:12 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Amnesty! Taxes! Censorship! Jihadi Rights! Gay Marriage! NY Times Endorsed! McCain!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Total votes cast in 21 GOP contests yesterday among McCain, Romney and Huckabee:

McCain: 43.1% (3,611,459)
Romney: 35.4% (2,961,834)
Huckabee: 21.5% (1,796,729)

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/02/super_tuesday_the_most_interes.html

That’s still a plurality for McCain after Thompson, Guiliani and some other guys were out of the race.

My point stands: Even on Super Tuesday when the field was thin, McCain can’t get a majority of Republican Votes.


48 posted on 02/08/2008 1:53:14 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Amnesty! Taxes! Censorship! Jihadi Rights! Gay Marriage! NY Times Endorsed! McCain!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Yea yea.. and the next primary vote when he does top well over 50% of the vote, are you going to continue this rediculous claim?

McCain has won by getting more REPUBLICAN votes than anyone else, in a field of 3 he trounced the competitors my friend.

TO claim that 43% of the votes in a 3 way race is symbolic that McCain can’t get votes is nonsense.

Romney is gone.. care to take a guess how many of Romney’s voters will now go to McCain?, and how many will go to Mitt? I guarantee you McCain will get far more of the vote than Huck.

The assumptions by those here that those who planned on voting on someone other than McCain are all as rabid as they are against McCain is nonsense. Mitt was few persons first choice, and Huckabee has no chance of anything signficant.


49 posted on 02/08/2008 6:48:01 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
"Yea yea.. and the next primary vote when he does top well over 50% of the vote, are you going to continue this rediculous (sic) claim?"

After most of the states, voters, competitors, and delegates have gone by the wayside, McCain can finally top 50%.

What a winner.

50 posted on 02/08/2008 9:12:56 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Amnesty! Taxes! Censorship! Jihadi Rights! Gay Marriage! NY Times Endorsed! McCain!)
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