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Texas Children's Services Scores Big Taking Children From Polygamists. Waco Officials Involved.
JoeClarke.Net ^ | 04/08/2008 | JoeClarke.Net

Posted on 04/08/2008 9:08:15 AM PDT by joeclarke

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To: PennsylvaniaMom

It’s just like the Amish, people with an old fashioned lifestyle. It was common 100 years or so ago for people to get married at 14, pedophilia is with pre-pubescent children.


41 posted on 04/09/2008 6:23:45 PM PDT by ConservativeJen
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To: ConservativeJen
FLDS are NOTHING like the Amish. The Amish 'court.' A young man 'courts' a young woman of equal or near equal age. The young woman has free will to accept the attentions of the young man or dissuade him (her family will if she not interested). The Amish also allow their young to go and 'live among the English' to decide if their (Amish) 'ways' are the right lifestyle for their young adult children.

Pedophilia, by definition, is 'an abnormal sexual desire, by an adult, for children. Puberty is notwithstanding by definition or by law.

42 posted on 04/09/2008 6:38:17 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Yoi. And double yoi.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

They walked in and the first thing they found was dozens of 12 and 14 year old pregnancies.

That’s enough investigation for me.


43 posted on 04/09/2008 6:43:51 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

The marriage their leader was convicted of arranging was between a 14 year old and a 19 year old.

Teenage sexual activity is common:
http://www.kff.org/youthhivstds/upload/U-S-Teen-Sexual-Activity-Fact-Sheet.pdf

It’s not an ideal situation, but shows it is very selective enforcement, in addition to the issues concerning due process.


44 posted on 04/09/2008 6:49:59 PM PDT by ConservativeJen
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The 16 y/o girl, commented on the phone call to the women's shelter that she was 'spiritually married' to a man of almost 50. She bore him a child who is now 8 months old (so she may be been as young as 14 when the conception occurred) and that she was once again pregnant by the same man. She is still underaged (in Texas) and he is still (by definition) a pedophile. What is hard to understand? When the TX authorities arrived at YFZ they 'observed' visabally pregnant 13, 14 and 15 year olds (by the affidavit, 'dozens'). Doesn't that become even easier to understand that these girls were likely the victims of statutory rape (per Texas law)? And that these girls needed to be removed from the proximity of their attackers?
45 posted on 04/09/2008 7:27:25 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Yoi. And double yoi.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

So far this girl hasn’t turned up, and many suspect it to be a hoax call.


46 posted on 04/13/2008 9:23:27 PM PDT by ConservativeJen
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To: ConservativeJen
My guess would be that 'they' (the TX authorities) know who called. Can anyone believe in this day and age that cell phone records and caller id (at the shelter) would not be subpeonaed as evidence? Would any shelter not utilize caller id when the never lives of those calling them for assistance can depend upon getting police/ambulance help to them.

Sorry, but the 'hoax' dog just ain't hunting...

47 posted on 04/13/2008 9:28:40 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (PaMom--a broken glass DINO til 4/23/08)
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To: ConservativeJen

Really? Wow! Are you hoping it’s a hoax so everything can return to as it was before?


48 posted on 04/13/2008 9:29:50 PM PDT by najida (On FR- Everyman is Brad Pitt, Everywoman is Aunt Bea)
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Are you hoping it’s a hoax so everything can return to as it was before?

Maybe yes, maybe no. I have no idea how it was before. But at least if the call was a hoax then the alleged crimes described by the caller didn't occur. That's a good thing, right?

49 posted on 04/16/2008 1:29:03 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

“Sarah” was a hoax. The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_8966589) reported that a 33 year old Colorado woman was arrested for making prank calls, purporting to be “Sarah”. Calls made by this woman seemed to have been the basis on which the whole paramilitary operation was launched.

Texas authorities acknowledge that “Sarah” probably doesn’t exist, which removes all justifications for the action.

It also seems that there were only half a dozen pregnant women aged between 16 and 19 on the ranch, a rate of teenage pregnancy that is actually lower than the national average.

It may also be worth taking into account that Texas law allowed 14 year olds to marry with parental consent until 2005 and had been clearly targeted at this group.

I hate polygamous sects, as they tend to be enclaves for dirty old men “marrying” young girls, but what is of even greater concern is the manifest abuse of power that can be used against anyone. The involvement and rulings of the judge in this case, who also authorized the raid, should also be questioned. Her ruling that all 416 children are now wards of the state will guarantee that many of these children will be brutalized and marginalized on top of whatever experiences they’ve already been through.

The rule of law and due process is meant for everyone, not just for the people we approve of. That is clearly not happening here, and demonizing people to justify illicit operations is the wrong way to handle any situation.


50 posted on 04/21/2008 8:28:58 PM PDT by Jungle Djinn
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