Why Is Obama Paying Lawyers Instead of Producing Birth Certificate?

yidwithlid ^

[null and void]

Unfortunately I found out she actually wasn’t born on Neptune.

Pwifftt! Dang. Beer out the nose...

[Crystal Cove]

Yes, but it has been determinted that McCain is a natural born US citizen, right?

[Crystal Cove]

Yes, but it has been determined that McCain is a natural born US citizen, right?

[null and void]

Yes, but it has been determined that McCain is a natural born US citizen, right?

One court has said so.

Unfortunately, there is no clear legal definition of what the phrase 'natural born citizen' means. There are good arguments for jus sanguinis, the doctrine that natural born citizenship is transmitted by bloodline, that is if you have an American citizen parent (or parentS, depending on who is interpreting) the you are a natural born citizen, regardless of the location of your birth.

Then there is jus soli, the doctrine that natural born citizenship is intrinsic in merely being born on US soil, and only US soil.

No way of predicting which way it will ultimately be defined by the supreme court. There have been various rulings and laws muddying the waters since the only legal definition formulated in 1790, unfortunately the 1795 law that supersedes the 1790 law drops the phrase 'natural born citizen', substituting 'the non-constitutional phrase 'native born'.

I can assure you that the 'he's not my president/he was selected not elected/endless recount' party will do all they can to get the current crop of leftists on the supreme court to kick him out, and will use every second of legal uncertainty to undermine his authority and call into question the legal validity of any presidential action.

[Beckwith]

Is that germane? Would it affect his ability to hold the Presidency?

Is what germane? Please post a question I can understand.

I got a couple of thousand pages of information that document a ton of things that would affect his QUALIFICATIONS to be president and that indicate what his PEFRFORMANCE as president might be.

Holding the presidency and performing in the interest of America and Americans are two different things.

[Polarik]

Is this the same Annenberg that funded the Annenberg Challenge and supports McCain? What would be their motivation to cover for Obama when they are a prominent McCain supporter, if it is the same?

No, this is the same Annenberg that is run by zealous Obama supporters, and who owns FactCheck.org and is run by Obama funders and supporters.

If there's one thing they are not, it is "nonpartisan."

[Crystal Cove]

So this is a different Annenberg than the one who is a financial donor to McCain and has come out publicly as a supporter of his, and whose husband was an Ambassador in the Reagan administration?

[Cyropaedia]

So this is a different Annenberg than the one who is a financial donor to McCain and has come out publicly as a supporter of his, and whose husband was an Ambassador in the Reagan administration?

Look at is this way : Daniel Patrick Moynihan served in two Republican Administrations (Nixon & Ford). Does that mean he wasn't a Democrat, and that he didn't work to advance the Party's legislation for 24 years on Capitol Hill...??

[Cyropaedia]

I should have said the pixelation surrounding the (Obama) typeface. There’s more of it, it’s more pronounced and it’s a lighter shade than the Michele CoLB.

[Peerless]

I should have said the pixelation surrounding the (Obama) typeface. There’s more of it, it’s more pronounced and it’s a lighter shade than the Michele CoLB.

Ah. That's just normal stuff and depends on the scanner settings and how much JPEG compression is used. Has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it's a forgery.

I laser printed a "blank" certificate on a sheet of solid green sheet of paper. Then I scanned one of the iterations of "BIRTH." Here's a zoomed image of what the scan looks like straight from the scanner, before any JPEG compression has been applied:

You'll notice that even though the actual page I scanned was only solid green paper and black printer toner, there are quite a lot of full white and nearly full white pixels surrounding the text.

That's due to the scanner.

Now here's a zoomed image of the same scan after it's been mangled by JPEG processing:

Here you can see the weird pixelation patterns as a result. You'll also notice that whereas there were some decidedly green pixels between the B and the I and the I and the R in the raw scan, now they're mostly colorless as a result of JPEG processing.

JPEG is what's called a "lossy" compression scheme, as opposed to "lossless" compression schemes.

Lossy compression schemes, in addition to making the file size smaller, actually removes information from the original image. It does this using algorithms based on human visual perception, so that the resulting images still look "ok" to the eye. This allows the file sizes to be smaller than they could be using a lossless scheme.

MPEG is an example of a lossy compression scheme for audio. And like JPEG, it also removes information from the original audio file using algorithms based on psychoacoustics in order to give acceptable sound.

The reason the artifacts in the Obama image seem to be of a lighter shade is because it was scanned using different scanner settings, namely brightness and contrast.

If you notice, the space between the green "rods" and "dots" that make up the background pattern in the Obama scan is mostly white. Whereas in the Michele scan, it's all just a lighter shade of green.

This will affect what the result will look like once JPEG processing has been done. Also, JPEG allows for different levels of quality so you'll get different artifacts even on the same raw image depending on what the quality level was set at.

So again, none of this has anything to do with whether or not the document was forged. In fact, just the opposite. The forging of a document WOULDN'T produce these artifacts.

Here's a "forged" Obama certificate I made a while back just for grins:

obamabcfake.jpg

Polarik claims that the paucity of colored pixels BETWEEN the letters is a sure sign of a forgery. However if you look at this image, you'll see that there is no lack of colored pixels between letters, except where there would have been no green in the first place.

That's because the text was never printed on paper and scanned (which as I illustrated above produces full white pixels around the text). The text in this image was produced entirely digitally and the image simply saved out as a JPEG.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Polarik simply has absolutely no business talking about imaging and graphics. He has never demonstrated that he has any knowledge or experience in the field. He just looks at something he doesn't understand and then makes up some story about it being proof that the image is a forgery or has been altered.

[Polarik]

First of all, these images are bogus. They were made by Steve Eddy , and you pulled them off his blog. He fabricates images to try and prove me wrong.

Secondly, Steve also pulled the version of Michele's COLB that I modified to serve as my Kos clone. He pulled it off my Photobucket account, and did not read my blog post where I specifically said that it was made to look like that.

Rather than ask me what was the image used for, he erroneously assumed that it was one of my original copies of Michele's COLB.

So, now, what you're "proving" to everyone else here, is that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and you're making a fool of yourself in the process.

It's patently obvious that you never bothered to resd my blog, either, so allow me to take you to school.

THIS, birdbrain, is what came directly from the original Michele scan, without any modifications.

Looks quite different, doesn't it?

Here's the same word pulled from Obama's COLB:

Any one who tells you that these are not what I say they are`is flat-out lying, and I can prove it.

Here's the double "SS" pulled from the Obama COLB, and pay close atention to it:

These are NOT scanner artifacts or JPG artifacts, and YOU will NEVER be able to produce this pattern using ANY scanner or ANY JPG compression.

Do you get that? Do I need to type it again?

So, bottom line is that you don't know Jack about images. You can't even understand what a COLB is. And, you think that you're going to best me by using someone else's failed attempts at debunking my work? Especially when you have no clue as to what it means?

I'd say that you have no business talking about images, period.

[Polarik]

Sorry, put in the wrong link. Here's the the enlarged Michele image.

And, you can blow it up as big as you like, and you

[Polarik]

And here's what was pulled from the Obama COLB:

Same same.

[rebapiper]

I'm not running for President and I have to produce a birth certificate, a SS card or drivers license gets to be
annoying after awhile.
How did Berry Obama make it to the Senate?
I'm beginning to find that many people of going for Obama for reasons of race and a free ride. Many people in this country still hold true to their birth places. Many people here want this country to fall flat on its face.
Obama’s change is a communist way of life.
If Obama gets the white house he will put this country into a state of emergency and will refuse to give up the White House. Many states change their voting laws just to keep the liberal,communist, greedy low in office. New Jersey did it, remember Torrecelli, should have been jail for treason, instead lets him resign with a pension and they change to law so they could replace him, denying the people the right to vote.
New York, Bloomberg wants the law changed, the markets are down and this Low Life Scum refuses to step down, a free ride, living off the tax payers, like many others they won't spend their own money.
Where are the people of New York and are they not calling for Bloomberg to step down as Mayor. We have no voice, no vote.
The Communist Dems are in control and if they get the White House, say good by to another election.
Obama wants his hands on the Social Security money. Clinton and Bob Rubin,secy.of treasury for Clinton wanted get hold of the SS money. The Republican congress prevented that, They would have bankrupted this country if they got hold of the SS fund.
MANY SENOIRS ARE WILLING TO GIVE UP THEIR SS AND LIVE A SOCIALIST LIFE STYLE.
OBAMA DENOUNCED OUR MILITARY WHEN HE REFUSED TO VIST OUR VETS IN THE HOSPITAL, HE DID IT FOR ALL FOREIGN COUNTRIES TO SEE, HE DID IT FOR ALL TERRORIST GROUPS TO SEE.
WITH OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE THE DEMS WILL ONCE AGAIN HAVE THE POWER TO TAKE AWAY OUR MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM AND NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THAT. THANK GOD FOR PRES.G.BUSH WE NOW HAVE A MISSILE DEFENSE.