To My Fellow Conservatives: The Legal Issue of BHO’s Citizenship is Moot (for now)

Men for Palin Blog ^ | November 29, 2008 | Charles W. Fairbanks

[skipper18]

The basic point is: You cant invalidate the will of the people on such a huge scale.

The majority voted for Oprah’s Boyfriend; Removing him would now require a literal military coup.

The blue states would insist he is President, and would not recognize anyone else. Some red states with blue gov’s would join in, and you’d lose the support of softer red states and states scared off from the likely outcome of trying to remove O on these grounds. It’d be a few states and the courts vs. America.

We’d lose. We may get the Supreme’s on side, but forget about the states. Constitutional crisis leading to regional segregation/ouster from the union on ‘state treason’ grounds? I’ll pass.

Use the election apparatus to remove him. Make this an election issue. 2012 is not so far away.

[MrEdd]

It is not at all moot.

I will point out to you (since you aren’t bright enough to know it already) that all questions of national direction and government do not wind up being decided by courts.

Thank you for playing.

Next contestant.

[rockinqsranch]

“Interested observers have asked: Well, why didn’t Obama produce his vault birth certificate to be examined in a court of law? The answer is easy: Because the legal issue was never properly framed in a petition challenge.”

As for most real American Citizens, producing a valid Birth Certificate is quite easy to do, and less costly than to retain an Army of legal authoritarians to not produce one. Explain why then Mr. Obama chose the more costly and evasive route.

The Democrats and their minions in the MSM kept the issue of Natural Born Citizen out of the news as an issue until after the election, and then it was barely mentioned. The issue has been front and center in the “New Media” however, and I for one applaud the efforts of those participating in the attempt to thwart the precedent setting tactic the efforts of Mr. Obama, and the Democrat Party will inevitably produce.

Contrary to your opinion expressed, I believe this is not an issue we the people should allow, turn our backs on, shrug our shoulders, and simply say “Oh Well”, and allow our Constitution to become the “Living, Breathing” document the Democrats have claimed it to be, which is I believe a part of their goal. Why else fight such a simple act as producing a Birth Certificate with such vigor, and cost?

[Starboard]

...but I’ll guarantee you, it’s going to be a *legal issue* for a long time to come, unless Obama shows his birth certificate which will verify his status as a natural-born citizen.

In his book he mentioned finding his birth certificate. Having found such a personally important document, you would think that he would have noted some details such as: "I was born at Saviour Hospital in Hawaii on the first day of January 1961 at 6:35 am, which just happened to coincide with the sunrise on that auspicious day."

[RC2]

Democrats can put all the fancy words they want to around this issue and tie it up with a big red bow. The fact remains that the people of this country still have questions......even Democrats. All Obama has to do is show the Birth Certificate and the Selective Service documents and the issue would come to an end. No fancy words.....just follow the Constitution.

[Godebert]

"No court should now reverse those elections and the choices of one hundred and twenty million people. To do so would be to invite legal and civil chaos. To do so would create a power vacuum which could be a national security threat."

Fairbanks's arguement is basically that the Constitution is trumped by the threat of a bunch of leftists rioting in the streets.

[MrEdd]

Are you a troll, or are you so unaware of politics that you are didn’t know that the Hillary campaigners did bring this up?

Those are the only two options.

[mad_as_he$$]

Ahh you are lawyer, noobie. Nothing is ever moot for true conservatives. Take your compromise attitude and stick it noob.

[DannyTN]

BS. I agree with the basic premise that proper vetting should have occured during the nomination process and/or the ballot determination process. But it's not too late. There is no process in place, so the courts must intervene. The lower court And the courts need to insure a process exists until legislature acts. What needs to happen now is this:

• The supreme court needs to determine what the founders meant by natural born.
• The supreme court also needs to determine whether the alleged president-elect is qualified to hold office.
• The court needs to outline a process to determine and challenge eligibility in the absence of a legislative solution.
• Individual state legislatures should require proof of citizenship in order to place a candidate on their ballot.
• Congress needs to define a process and assign responsibility prior to future elections to insure eligibility. They just need to be careful not to trample on state rights as to method of selecting electors in the process.
• If Obama is ruled by the courts to be inelligible, then Obama and the DNC needs to quickly and very publicly admit fault to quell obamabot unrest.

It wouldn't take many states to soon force candidates to reveal their eligibility and the major parties knowing that entire states would be at risk, would then be sure to take steps to verify eligibility.

It wouldn't hurt to have both states and Federal processes to verify eligibility, because you don't want that power to rest in just one person's hands.

[saganite]

Sigh. I’m dial up challenged. Can you summarize the video?

[spectre]

"You know...I could give a rat's ass about the legality of finding out about the birth certificate issue. Do you really think that, upon admission of a bogus birth certificate, Obama would continue to function as President of the United States? There would be an uproar heard ‘round the world."

Obama would never admit that his birth certificate was "bogus".

But in the off chance it turns out to be true, I think that "uproar" would be a civil war breaking out in this country between the Blacks and the Whites.

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[capt. norm]

If Hillary or any other Democrat truly thought he wasn’t a legal citizen, wouldn’t they have brought it up?

Too many people like you live in a world of assumptions.

They are the people who made P.T. Barnum wealthy....and back then their birth rate was estimated by him to be one per minute.

[devere]

“The basic point is: You cant invalidate the will of the people on such a huge scale.”

“preserve, protect, and defend the Constititution of The United States”

What part of that do you have trouble understanding?

It appears that come January 20th, 2009 Joe Biden will be the constitutionally elected POTUS. God help us all.

[McGruff]

Charlie,

Go hump your blog someplace else. This is a discussion forum.

McGruff

[OneWingedShark]

Thanks for the link.

[MrEdd]

You aren’t real bright about warfare. You were skipper of the minnow?

Blue states would fare poorly when the power grid is down And it absolutely would be - for the duration), and disease and lack of fuel and food begin to take their toll.

Leftists and politically unaware value creature comforts over principles.

I strongly suggest you spend more time studying Von Clausewitz, and less time studying Gramsci.

[Peter Horry]

“Now that the general election has taken place, it is too late to disqualify a candidate”

Interesting, we have gone from “nothing to see here” to “it is to late to disqualify a candidate”.
There are two basic questions involved here:
1. Does Sen. Obama meet the stated requirements to be Pres. Obama?
1, If he does not meet the requirements, then how was it allowed to happen (had to have been negligence or Malfeasance involved). What is the remedy of such action, if we are to remain an orderly society there has to be one?

Seems like a lot of people are working overtime to suppress/obscure this issue, I wonder why?

[Savage Beast]

Perhaps so, but what will prevent the resulting Constitutional crisis if, after his inauguration, it is proven that President Obama is not a U.S. citizen and therefore unqualified to serve as President or to perform the functions thereof? Will his actions be legal? Will they survive challenge in the courts? Will the courts declare the citizenship requirements of the Constitution to be null and void? Will they declare the entire Constitution to be null and void?

[capt. norm]

Seems like a lot of people are working overtime to suppress/obscure this issue, I wonder why?

My thoughts exactly....if there's no "fire" here, why are all these red trucks with sirens, hoses and firemen showing up to put it out?

[econjack]

But in the off chance it turns out to be true, I think that "uproar" would be a civil war breaking out in this country between the Blacks and the Whites.

I fear you might be right, but I would sure hope not. If it turns out that he did secure the office by false means, I would hope the change would be peaceful. But then, I also whistle when I walk through a graveyard at night...