Obama, McCain, Congress, And Media ALL Knew! Many Americans Didn't Know, And Still Don't!

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[trumandogz]

Thanks for you cite, but you may want to add this from Wong Kim Ark:

The constitution of the United States, as originally adopted, uses the words 'citizen of the United States' and 'natural-born citizen of the United States.' By the original constitution, every representative in congress is required to have been 'seven years a citizen of the United States,' and every senator to have been 'nine years a citizen of the United States'; and 'no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president.' Article 2, 1. The fourteenth article of amendment, besides declaring that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside,' also declares that 'no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.' And the fifteenth article of amendment declares that 'the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States, or by any state, on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.'

The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born r naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.' Amend. art. 14. In this, as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the constitution.

Now, please cite legislation of case law that defines natural born citizen.

[numberonepal]

If they rule he is not actually eligible, the very fabric of this country will be torn apart.

It's still going to happen whether SCOTUS or Uncle Hussein cause it or facilitate it. There is likely to be a new succession movement gaining momentum in the near future. This loss of Constitutional Protection and Process coupled with those inside the Beltway acting as Aristocrats is turning off more folk than us savvy political junkies.

[Bronwynn]

Nowhere in anything you cited does it take away from the provisions required for POTUS, a natural born citizen, and nowhere in anything you cited does it miraculously declare that citizen means natural born citizen. Nice try, but no cigar.

The Wong Kim Ark case simply decided on citizenship, which is where you get all your anchor babies from. It never made any conclusion those babies were natural born citizens. That court gave him citizenship, that’s it. I don’t know where you’re going with this, but that site is written by an attorney who studied this inside and out. Unless you can come up with something that the court specifically claimed about Wong Kim Ark being a natural born citizen, there’s no reason to drag that into this but that court didn’t say any such thing.

[Starfleet Command]

and if you are in DC, try to get Obama’s john hancock. Could be worth $6k!

Barry Soetoro

Barack Soetoro

Barry Obama

Barack Obama

[MHGinTN]

Maybe the poster will cite some ‘legislation of case law’ for us. Bwahahahahaahaha

[Sal]

You have clearly chosen a very accurate screen name.

[HotLead61]

Yeah, lj, I know it looks like I’m a newbie, but actually, I have a history on this site.

Back in 1998, I was “seeker”. Posted quite a bit and lurked even more often. Some of the regulars I remember are “Clinton’s a Liar”, “Uncle Sham”, “Big Ezy”, “One who knows...”, “Tory Notion”, and the list goes on. I especially remember a couple of the tools, namely “ash” and “MurryMom”.

A couple of the people I’ve seen in the present day are still here, even though I’ve not seen any of the ones yet that I just listed above.

And if FR is not a place that I can speak my mind, where, praytell, should it be done? To be forewarned is to be forearmed, so they say. Besides, how many potential “race-rioters” do you suppose monitor this site for ideas?

Is not the 1st amendment in effect here? I’m a Conservative and I would like to consider myself a Patriot, but I am not sure I’m worthy of the title. I’m not a troll & neither are you.

I have considered what you have written, and will keep it in mind as I continue to lurk (& occasionally sound off)

Best to you in your vigilant defense of Freedom. We need all the help we can get.

HotLead61, a.k.a. seeker

[HotLead61]

Hey, I’m not a n00b.

Read my responses to “little jeremiah” to see where I am coming from. At least he had the decency to respond to me directly, whereas you know not of what you accuse me.

Would you rather be caught flat-footed, or prepared for the worst? Life’s gonna be difficult enough in this country with the current & future changes coming our way; at the least, we could try to hang together...

[little jeremiah]

Thsnks for the reply... just being cautious because the 0-team are scouring around the internet causing trouble, and one way they cause trouble is to threaten race riots, in a way to make conservatives look bad.

Tons of leftists monitor and indeed infiltrate FR, no doubt about it. Anyway, I agree that being forewarned is forearmed.

[HotLead61]

Thanks, lj, stay strong for the long haul.

Srength and Honor, as Maximus said..

HL61

[trumandogz]

Well then cite legislation or case law that defines natural born citizen.

And until you can find such legislation, the nine justices on the SCOTUS do not seem to buy into you interpretation of natural born citizen.

[Bronwynn]

It’s in the Constitution, you idiot! What the hell are you asking for case law for when you know damn well they’ve citing the Constitution in millions of cases.

Why don’t you read John Bingham, the framer of the 14th Amendment! Why don’t you read Vattel, Law of Nations, Why don’t you read the Federalist!

No, instead you’ll just sit here and claim to know something when you don’t. Then you want everyone to run around doing all your homework for you. I gave you 3 sources. It should keep you from flapping your jaws for awhile.

[Bronwynn]

And while you’re at it, you can read:

Originalism and the Natural Born Citizen Clause
Lawrence B. Solum, University of Illinois Law School

The Justiciability of Eligibility: May Courts Decide Who Can Be President?
Daniel P. Tokaji, The Ohio State University, Moritz College of Law

Why Senator John McCain Cannot be President: Eleven Months and a Hundred Yards Short of Citizenship
Gabriel J. Chin, University of Arizona Law School

If you’re interested in where the cases that have been discussed, that should keep you busy for awhile, but for some reason, I have no doubt you’re the least bit interested.

Your type is very predictable. You sit there all day long demanding proof and doing little research yourself.

[Bronwynn]

He’s got company. It’s called trumandogz

I just laid 3 historical references on his lazy lap and 3 more law reviews I’m sure he’ll never read.

I don’t intend to provide them with links and I certainly don’t intend to read it for them either.

Let him search for it like I did.

[MHGinTN]

If you have yet to read Alinsky's Rules For Radicals you might want to pick up a copy at the library (wouldn't pay for that crap). Our own Freeper, BKO, also explained the Alinsky methodology in her book on Hillary, Hell To Pay. That book I would recommend buying because the Clinton crime family is not going away soon.

We have several agitprops playing word games, following the outline of Alinsky methodology, agitating not for truth but for the sake of discontent and agnst. They are deceitful and very serious agents of the 'change' sewer about to spill his effluent out in Washington, DC.

[Polarik]

Obama also knows that he entered the US illegally, and has never been naturalized.

Obama also knows that he is a Muslim for life -- the Christian claim is typical Muslim taqiyya. When Obama implements his plan to "reboot the US's image in the Muslim world," he'll be in standby mode.

[seekthetruth]

I believe you are correct. Barack Hussien Obama aka Barry Soetoro from Indonesia knows full well that he is not constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President, and I will never consider him my President. I also believe that everyone in government knew it from the beginning of the campaign, and knew that John McCain did not meet the constitutional qualifications either. This would indicate that the RNC and DNC have joined forces. What else can one think?

Now we wait and see if the Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States will uphold the Constitution they have sworn to uphold. I still have hope, but I have this terrible feeling that they will fold. If they do it will mean we no longer have a Constitutional Republic.

[seekthetruth]

“Supreme court can’t enforce laws. The only thing they could have done was to refuse to swear him in and its too late for that.
No, the Supreme Court is going to have fun with this. They are going wait until he is sworn in and then annouce their findings and let the Adminstrative Branch deal with it because that branch is the one in charge of enforcing laws.
Problem is it will be after the swearing in and I doubt if anything can be done.
Best mode of attack is to have about 5 million march on DC every day untill he leaves the office.
We have to take back the government before its too late.”

I do have several questions on what the SCOTUS can and can not do. I realize that they do not enforce laws but are required to uphold the constitution.

This situation has never happened before in our history, so my questions are many. If Barack Hussien Obama aka Barry Soetoro from Indonesia is found in the decision of the SCOTUS to not be eligible, then what happens?

If BO was not a legal President to begin with, would he still be impeached?

If BO was not a legal President to begin with, would all his cabinet picks be voided? Would his VP choice stand?

If a person is not legally President and thus can not be impeached, would BO be arrested for fraud/perjury? I certainly do not have the answers.

[Diggity]

No, you can only impeach a president. Obama would be simply arrested.

John