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Click on the link to get additional information in support of the story. And just today, Shell Oil announced it is backing off its wind and solar efforts as they found them to be not cost effective.
1 posted on 03/19/2009 6:07:23 PM PDT by CedarDave
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Forty years ago I was introduced to a man who claimed he wrote “Blowin in the Wind” and that Bob Dylan had stolen the lyrics and melody from him. He was a street folksinger in NYC, too.

He had the chorus as “The answer my friend is not blowing in the wind, the answer is in the hearts of men.”


2 posted on 03/19/2009 6:09:48 PM PDT by bvw
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For your PING! lists!

Visit Icecap.us for scientific information and political discussion related to global warming and climate change.


3 posted on 03/19/2009 6:10:15 PM PDT by CedarDave (DHS Sec. Napolitano - No such thing as terrorism, just man-caused disasters!!!)
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Jason Lewis, substitute host for El Rushbo, August 11, 2008 on the E.I.B Network:

"The federal government has to subsidize windmill production through production tax credits of about 1.8¢ per kilowatt. Wind Farms also receive an accelerated depreciation. Wind farms are also land intensive. They produce a fraction of the energy of a traditional power plant but they require 100 times the acreage.

From the National Center for Policy Analysis: to produce a 1000 megawatt power plant a wind farm would require 192,000 acres or 300 square miles. A nuclear plant would need about 1700 acres (or 2.65 mi2), and about 3 mi2 for a coal fired power plant. The transmission lines for the wind turbines would be massive, 12,000 miles just for the array."

 

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

4 posted on 03/19/2009 6:10:22 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Most bad government results from too much government." - Thomas Jefferson)
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6 posted on 03/19/2009 6:16:38 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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ping for later


8 posted on 03/19/2009 6:23:42 PM PDT by Red Boots
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Not ever mentioned are the unintended consequences of massive use of wind or solar energy. For the sake of argument assume that wind energy could supplant all of the fossil fuel energy for the purpose of generating electricity.

Since the required energy would be extracted from the force of the wind, there would be less wind energy remaining after passing the wind farm.

Therefore we could expect a drastic change in local weather due to the reduced wind energy downstream of the farms. The results could be devastating and quite possibly a greater threat to mankind that that imagined for global warming due to co2 emissions.

9 posted on 03/19/2009 6:26:01 PM PDT by cousin01 (No applause please, just send my Nobel Prize!)
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Not ever mentioned are the unintended consequences of massive use of wind or solar energy. For the sake of argument assume that wind energy could supplant all of the fossil fuel energy for the purpose of generating electricity.

since the required energy would be extracted come from the force of the wind, there would be less wind energy remaining after passing the wind farm.

Therefore we could expect a drastic change in local weather due to the reduced wind energy downstream of the farms. The results could be devastating and quite possibly a greater threat to mankind that that imagined for global warming due to co2 emissions.

10 posted on 03/19/2009 6:26:32 PM PDT by cousin01 (No applause please, just send my Nobel Prize!)
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Well, it’s not that erratic. During our recent once in a century heat wave when air conditioner driven load was at a maximum at 3-4PM, wind farm output was predictably zero, and peaked at 2-3AM.


11 posted on 03/19/2009 6:33:52 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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In fact of the primary energy sources, wind power is the most expensive:
Wind = 21.97 cents per kwh
Gas and oil = 12.28 cents per kwh
Nuclear = 11.06 cents per kwh
Hydro = 7.60 cents per kwh

Believing in wind is a fool’s errand. The reasons are simple. Wind is costly, inefficient and erratic.

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I’m not sure it can be said any more succinctly than this.


14 posted on 03/20/2009 5:15:07 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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Wind power is NOT 21 cents per kwhr.


15 posted on 04/01/2009 11:10:41 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (I can reach across the aisle without even using my sights.)
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