Posted on 06/02/2009 3:47:57 PM PDT by Selkirk
What an abominable thought!
NO
that’s exactly what I call it too fwdude; it’s not “marriage” in any sense it’s a fake man-made creation called marriage in some quarters..!
If that were fully true (and he were really a conservative); then he would (~love her~) but help here to escape from homosexuality and see it as wrong, not ~coddle~ those behaviors! Homosexuality is not an ingrained thing, something (either her own sin, or someone else upon her) caused this!
Can a conservative support gay marriage?
Of course, everyone has the right to be wrong on this and any other issue.
Our real problem is judicial activism; that’s where ALL this starts becuase they know that they can’t possibly originally get this through any sane legislature. It’s only later when it’s too late that they try to manipulate public opinion in certain states.
Get controll of the courts, and we get controll of “gay marriage”, by-and-large!
No offense, but advocates FOR gay marriage are just praying that you take this position.
Because they will use this as the reason to push for the federal govt to determine it under the Full faith and Credit clause. One state, we’re a ‘family’, the other, we aren’t.
When they have the advantage to have states determine something, then they arefor states rights/10th amendments. When it isn’t, then they are for the federal govt to do it.
Hell these people could invoke RICO for it and try to argue it that way. Weddings and honeymoons are billion dollar industries. Gays travel to other states to ‘get married’ even though their home states don’t recognize it.
re: call it something that it is not
That’s the crux of the entire matter in my book. Marriage was instituted before there were any governments, as a religious matter. Government is a Johnny-Come-Lately actor in this.
A person’s sex preference and sex life is a matter between them and their supreme being. It only begins to be of interest to me when they want to force me to somehow bless their life or preference at the cost my beliefs.
I can certainly understand wanting the benefits of marriage even it the couple is of the same sex. But it’s simply not marriage. Call it something else. But sadly that seems to defeat the goals of many of those who want to force same sex marriage on those of us who find it at odds with our religious beliefs.
If the only way a same sex couple can feel complete in their relationship is to offend others then they haven’t much of a relationship to start with. IMHO.
No no and no...a thousand times no. And I’ll go even further and say that anyone who supports a right to gay marriage is de facto betraying the Constitution of the United States.
Why?
Because the foundation of American Law was very clearly spelled out by the Founders and especially in the Declaration of Independence. Rights are “endowed by Our Creator”—not tyrants, not some political pressure group, not some judge somewhere. Governments exist among men “to secure these rights”—not to invent them. So there can never be a right for two men to marry because God never gave us that right. Period. End of story.
I know the theological language makes some folks uncomfortable. Fine. Maybe you don’t believe in God. But whether there is a God or not is immaterial to this discussion. Whatever the theological reality of the matter, the legal reality is that the Natural Law is the foundation of our system. The Founders created a government that expressly relied on it.
The detestable vice of which we speak has for thousands of years been known as “the crime against nature”—precisely because it violated the Natural Law. Support that “right” and you turn the entire system of American Law on its head.
Unless you have the moral fiber of most Americans since the founding, strongly reflecting a very conservative social order, you will eventually be worn down and join the social left.
The left knows the Bible is the key, so they have engaged in all out war against the Bible for decades, only since the sixties have they slowly began to openly admit this fact.
Even with this, the left still has to pretend to be Christian to fool ignorant voters during election cycles.
No offense taken and understood. Thank you for your input.
Amen! If conservatives could support homosexual marriage(which I deny),then I would say that conservatism is not all its cracked up to be. But I don’t believe for one minute that conservatism and sodomy mix.
To which can be added the “conservation of institutions” argument. If society is going to recognize these relationships, and stable contractual relationships are in the interests of the people and the state, then you permit entry into the existing institutions rather than creating new ones. i.e. Civil Unions.
So ultimately it comes down to the need to separate marriage and state.
Marriage is what it is. The State can grant privileges and protections, but it doesn’t change the nature of a marriage.
People in general have the right to live with whom they want. They have the right to associate as they please. The have the right to write up any contract they want, and if it doesn’t violate the law it will be enforceable by the law. They have these rights already, without any new intrusion of government.
But marriage is what it is, it exists with or without the state. There is a benefit to having the government register marriages but government does not have the right or the power to redefine what a marriage is.
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