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There is no link in Post 51.

Sorry, the link is in 47 and 48

There are court cases all over the place. Parents both citizens, born anywhere, Born in the US, parents don’t matter, and Parents must be citizens, born in the US.

Well I’ve read the ones which say the nationality of the parent doesn’t matter but I’m not familiar with a single court decision that supports the idea that only a person born in the U.S. of two U.S. citizen parents is a natural born citizen. Nor am I familiar with any case that defines three or more classes of citizenship. Can you point me to one?

Check out post 62. Supposedly from someone who practices in the federal court system.

I’m not saying there is a case that defines 3 classes of citizenship.

I was talking about how depending on who you talk to, and what you read, there seems to be 3 different ideas about what consitutes a ‘Natural born citizen’

1. Born in the US of two US citizens
2. Born in the US = parents citizenship doesn’t matter
3. Born of two US citizens - where born doesn’t matter

And then there are the ‘special circumstances’.

I know it’s not always the greatest source, but the Wikipedia seems to cover all the different ideas about ‘natural born’ citing cases to back up each claim.

You are correct, there isn’t a Supreme Court case directly on point as to what the Constitutional framers meant by “natural born”, at least not yet. As someone here pointed out, there is statutory “natural born” and then there is Constitutional “natural born”, and the two do not necessarily have to match. But, in my humble opinion, if our servicemen and women are serving overseas protecting us from harm’s way, and if they are U.S. citizens, by God, their offspring are going to be “natural born”, it all goes to allegiance.

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davidfarrar

Check out post 62. Supposedly from someone who practices in the federal court system.

The it is a poorly trained practitioner. The Ark case and the Elg case do not say what he claims they say.

I’m not saying there is a case that defines 3 classes of citizenship.

Then if the Constitution does not say that there are 3 classes of citizenship then how can you reach the conclusion that there are?

I was talking about how depending on who you talk to, and what you read, there seems to be 3 different ideas about what consitutes a ‘Natural born citizen’

If we can agree that there are but two forms of citizenship - natural born and naturalized - then the definition is easy. If you are not naturalized then you're natural born. The law defines what constitutes natural born, and the most current definition is Here