Obama's Achilles heel - Natural Born Citizenship

Examiner.com ^ | 10-15-2009 | Dianna Cotter

[r9etb]

Obama is apparently NOT a natural born US citizen. So what is your point?

My point is that for "natural burn US citizen" to have any legal meaning, there must be an accepted legal definition of the term.

A single book by some long-dead French guy does not constitute an accepted legal definition. One could no doubt find other, different, definitions.

The Ark Decision (1898) goes into some detail on the matter, and even refers to Mr. Vattel's work on the topic. However, the decision does so apparently only to dismiss it!

It's a fine quote and all that, but the Supreme Court seems already to have dismissed it.

[Las Vegas Ron]

who will probably disagree with you.

Disagreeing is one thing, showing up to troll and disrupt is another.

[Danae]

ROTFLMAO@U.

Apparently you don’t get that his frenchmans book contains much of the language that is IN the constitution. It is one of the SOURCES of the constitution. Starting to get a clue yet?

[mojitojoe]

Yea, it is. He’s a &8%#.

[Danae]

ROTFLMAO@U.

Apparently you don’t get that his frenchmans book contains much of the language that is IN the constitution. It is one of the SOURCES of the constitution. Starting to get a clue yet?

[Eagle Eye]

Wow. How intelligent. What an incredible intellect you have shown us and what a marvelous addition to the question.

Now I’ll just stand back and let you continue making a fool of yourself supporting your master Obama.

[El Sordo]

“Judge Carter is sure taking his sweet time rendering a decision...”

No kidding. I don't know if he is still thinking/researching/pondering or if he is waiting for something to happen that will render this all moot.

What that might be, I can't say I have a clue. Taitz getting disbarred is my only guess.

[Eagle Eye]

FYI, go to the Dept State website and see what it says about dual citizens having allegiance to two countries.

[tired_old_conservative]

Thank you for concisely stating reality, as understood by those able to accept the results of elections without completely losing it.

[Danae]

Few people recognized it’s relevance or importance. His liberal forunners dumbed down US education not necessarily for this purpose, but for sure an uneducated populace is vunerable to this kind of manipulation. That’s why they have been doing it. Just imagine what else is ot there we have not been taught...

[r9etb]

Read the decision where the Supreme Court cites Vattel, followed by the fatal "however."

You can keep grasping at straws, sister. I don't have to take you seriously, though.

[Danae]

You might want to put some ice on that, it is likely gonna leave an owie for you.

[Eagle Eye]

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws...

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

Now go ahead and tell me this is what the Founders and the US Constitution has in mind. Go ahead.

[Diogenesis]

The definition is clear. The questions are:
WHY HAVE OBAMA'S DOCUMENTS BEEN WITHHELD?

WHY DID OBAMA REMOVE THE CHECKOFF FOR N.B.CITIZENSHIP FROM HIS PAPERS?

On July 25th, 1787, John Jay wrote to George Washington, then Presiding Officer of the Constitutional Convention:

"“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

The Convention agreed and without debate the provision suggested by Jay was written into the Constitution.

That Jay’s advice was taken is not surprising because in his career Jay was President of the Continental Congress, Chief Justice of the New York Supreme Court, 1st Chief Justice of the United States, Ambassador to Spain and France, Secretary of Foreign Affairs (Secretary of State) and Governor of New York, among other things. He wasn’t a man whose advice could be ignored. Note that what particularly concerned Jay was not a political issue but a military issue arising because the President is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. He was bothered by issues of National Security."

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[Danae]

Wrong. Not hearing the case is NOT deciding it.

[STARWISE]

Wong Kim Ark was a single use case, having
nothing to do with ‘natural born citizen,’
as it applies to the specific scenario of
the eligibility of a president or vice
president of the US.

[STARWISE]

“In all these quotes, two things are of importance:

the use of the word Parents – plural meaning more than one, and the concept that the citizenship conditions of children follow from that of their parents. These historical references are clear in their meaning.

In order to be a Natural Born Citizen, one must have parents - two parents, that are citizens of the Nation, and must be born on the soil of the Nation. It does not get any simpler than this.

Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is the son of a British subject. Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was never an American, never applied to be, and never intended to be. His son’s condition at the moment of his birth cannot be changed, altered, redacted, retroactive or in any way changed.

Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is not a Natural Born Citizen because he does not have two parents who were citizens of the United States of America.

-This article would not be possible without the internet research of Ken Dunbar. Ken does a Radio program once a week at Texasbroadcasting.net “The Liberty Pole” http://thelibertypole.ning.com/forum.";

http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m10d15-Obamas-Achiles-heel—Natural-Born-Citizenship

[Danae]

Lol

I didn’t cite just one case zippster.

Your logic is failing you. You see, there are a number of refrences to having Parents - you get plural right? - PatentS who are citizens. Obama does NOT have that. End of argument.

[Eagle Eye]

It is a fictional device created by birthers to be an eligibility standard that Obama couldn't possibly meet and enjoys support nowhere outside of birther circles.

Absolute lie. You need to read more and suck up to Obama less.

[Lmo56]

He is demonstratively and admittedly NOT a Natural Born Citizen.
... according to the conceptions of a Frenchman who wrote about it 251 years ago.

Sorry, but you can’t really consider that to be a legal description.

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The lawyers amongst the Founding Fathers had their legal training in English Common Law ...

When we separated from England - did we set up an ENTIRE new body of laws ??? Of course not ... The Founding Fathers JUST modified the ones that they objected to and left the other ones intact.

Case in point - according to English Common Law, English subjects could not free themselves from loyalty to the sovreign, without consent of that sovreign ... BUT, we did just that.

The phrase “natural born citizen” was NEVER modified by the Founding Fathers, so it is MORE THAN reasonable that they left the original definition intact.

Per English Common Law, a natural born subject was born within the sovreign’s dominion AND with a single, distinct loyalty to that sovreign - and that sovreign ONLY.

Obama was likely born in the United States, but with TWO loyalties - that of his father (per the British Nationality Act of 1948) AND that of the United States (14th Amendment).

This fact necessarily disqualifies him from natural born citizenship.

QED ...