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To: Smokin' Joe
No offense, but on your planet do states let people present falsified birth documents on a national platform with impunity when the state has no record of the person actually being born there? On mine, they don't. Hawaii's response to date makes it obvious they have documentation in their records stating that Obama was born in Hawaii.

From the Honolulu Advertiser:

[[The Obama campaign said it has posted a copy of his birth certificate at www.fightthesmears.com in response to Internet chatter that the Illinois senator is not a natural-born citizen. But the posting has done little to curb the nearly weekly requests to the Health Department for copies of the original, Okubo said.

Some skeptics point to the lack of an official state seal on the birth certificate posted on the Obama campaign Web site.

But seals often are placed on the back of the birth certificate, Okubo said, “and whether it shows through depends on how much force was put into it.”

Others wonder why a large black rectangle appears next to the words, “CERTIFICATE NO.”

“The thing that's redacted is just our file number,” she said. “Potentially, if you have that number, you could break into the system.”

Health officials contacted the Obama campaign a few months ago in response to the persistent inquiries “to see if they could try and resolve the issue with the people who were asking questions,” she said.

“They responded and apparently it isn't good enough that he posted his birth certificate,” Okubo said. “They say they want it because they claim he is not a citizen of the United States. It's pretty ridiculous.”]]

It's really not ambiguous. All credible information indicates that Obama really was born in Hawaii. Okubo and company really are just hapless bureaucrats being hassled by a delusional fringe element. If it bothers people so much, they should try and get laws passed in their state as to what constitutes proper certification for the ballot, not pursue court cases that are deranged and incompetent. I'm sorry, but that's what they are.

195 posted on 12/29/2009 1:54:02 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
...but on your planet do states let people present falsified birth documents on a national platform with impunity when the state has no record of the person actually being born there

Well, the folks from Hawaii, (planet Earth, btw, same planet I live on) said they had his documents on file and those documents on file appeared to be genuine But refused to further comment on the doctored image of a purported Certification of Live Birth allegedly verifying the birth of Barrack Obama posted by liberal Obama Supporters on their websites.

Did Obama state that that was his Birth Certificate? No. Obviously, it isn't, but an image purporting to be a factual image of a derrivative document generated by the State of Hawaii.

Even the State of Hawaii refused to state the information contained in the document image was genuine.

So what did the folks from Hawaii say?

They said they have his original document (But not that it was a Birth Certificate issued by the State). They said that they would not comment on the documents they had in their custody pursuant to their laws.

“The thing that's redacted is just our file number,” she said. “Potentially, if you have that number, you could break into the system.”

So anyone with a genuine Certification of Live Birth could hack the system? Ri-ight. Or do all the issued Certification of Live Birth documents have a big black rectangle there?

<Health officials contacted the Obama campaign a few months ago in response to the persistent inquiries “to see if they could try and resolve the issue with the people who were asking questions,” she said. “They responded and apparently it isn't good enough that he posted his birth certificate,” Okubo said. “They say they want it because they claim he is not a citizen of the United States. It's pretty ridiculous.

Note, if you will, that the "they" in bold responding were people from the Obama campaign who would have been run off promptly if they admitted that:

1: The document image on line was not of a Birth Certificate, but an image of a Certification of Live Birth. Not the same thing.

2: The document image posted online had been tampered with. This is not cause for faith in the assertions of the Obama Campaign people that we are supposed to accept an altered image of a document online as being evidence of anything, much less his Natural Born Citizen status.

Even if I posted a true and correct image of my documents online, the agencies which require the presentation of those documents from time to time would not accept that as evidence of the existence of those documents, nor should they.

Obama was running for President of the United States, the presentation of the actual document is not so much to ask, considering it is required of every kindergarden student in the US upon registration for school.

All credible information indicates that Obama really was born in Hawaii.

Yep. And there isn't any credible evidence.

220 posted on 12/30/2009 5:08:49 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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