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If you are Muslim you can opt out of the Obamacare health care reform laws with no penalties
examiner.com ^ | 3/26/2010 | Gil Guignat

Posted on 03/31/2010 1:04:44 PM PDT by Signalman

Isn't this nice. If you are of the Muslim religion, you don't have to give all the new Obamacare healthcare reform regulations and penalties another thought. Because the concept of being compelled to participate in such a healthcare program offends Islamic sensibilities, Muslims are specifically exempt.

As a matter of fact if you are Amish, American Indian or a Chistian Scientist you do not need to participate or pay the taxes associated with healthcare reform. That means not having to be forced to buy healthcare insurance, not paying the taxes or the penalties if you don't get it. Nice!

Here is what the regulations say:

EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.

—In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:

In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian, or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.”

Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274

There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is “haraam”, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. More...

This means that if you are Christian and abortion is against your religion tough luck.

If you are Jewish tough luck as well.

We wonder why these certain groups get a free ride. We also wonder why the largest religious block in North and South America the Christians are discriminated against like this. Very odd indeed.

There is a lot of food for thought here and a lot of ways to object to this healthcare bill isn't there.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: muslim; obamacare

1 posted on 03/31/2010 1:04:44 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Bobkk47

I wonder if all of these people add up to 45 million?


2 posted on 03/31/2010 1:06:56 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Bobkk47

Well, I think one can become a Muslim by clicking their heels together three times while saying, “I wish I were a Muslim”.

Although I guess the hard part would be converting back to being a Christian after I send in the form as I’d have to cut my head off.


3 posted on 03/31/2010 1:07:38 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Alfred E. Neuman for President! Oh, wait a minute ...)
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To: Bobkk47

Why must they cling to religion?


4 posted on 03/31/2010 1:07:43 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Bobkk47

Call me Abdul.


5 posted on 03/31/2010 1:08:00 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: Bobkk47

This is soooo not fair.


6 posted on 03/31/2010 1:08:53 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Bobkk47

You don’t pay interest either.


7 posted on 03/31/2010 1:09:03 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Bobkk47

Members of congress are also exempt...they keep their very expensive private program.


8 posted on 03/31/2010 1:10:37 PM PDT by kjo
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To: Bobkk47

This is preventing my “pursuit of happiness”. I want to file a civil rights lawsuit.


9 posted on 03/31/2010 1:10:51 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Bobkk47

And what happens if they get sick or have an accident?


10 posted on 03/31/2010 1:12:19 PM PDT by bergmeid (Fumigate Washington NOW!!)
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To: kjo
"Members of congress are also exempt...they keep their very "expensive private program."

Which you and I are paying for if I might add.

11 posted on 03/31/2010 1:14:13 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Bobkk47

If this is correct, it CAN’T be constitutional.


12 posted on 03/31/2010 1:14:52 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: Bobkk47

http://www.imanway1.com/lifeinsurance.htm


13 posted on 03/31/2010 1:15:12 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: bergmeid

Accident? You mean if they drive into a building and explode.


14 posted on 03/31/2010 1:17:17 PM PDT by Never on my watch (A Militia is just a community organization)
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To: Bobkk47

“because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling.”

I tend to agree.


15 posted on 03/31/2010 1:18:52 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Bobkk47

This statement is true, “...as a member of a health care sharing ministry,...” you can be exempt.

This statement is unfounded:
“This means that if you are Christian and abortion is against your religion tough luck.”

There are three health care sharing ministry’s for Christians. In fact, I worry when people start losing their health care and switch, I hope these orgs are ready for it.

http://www.samaritanministries.org/

http://medi-share.org/

http://www.chministries.org/

I have been posting this for a while.

When I do get people who know something about these orgs, I hear good things about the first one, Samaritan Ministry.

In fact, I worry about these ministries being overwhelmed when the avalanche of people being dumped comes.


16 posted on 03/31/2010 1:19:48 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Bobkk47
Taking a page from the Glenn Beck playbook, I'm wrapping my head very tightly with several layers of duct tape as I read this news.

The duct tape helps keep the chunks together when ones head explodes.

17 posted on 03/31/2010 1:24:08 PM PDT by yooling ( FUBO)
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To: yooling

LOL!!! Spit right on my desk (did not yell a racial slur, tho, for crying out...)


18 posted on 03/31/2010 1:26:47 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: VeniVidiVici
I think one can become a Muslim... ...I guess the hard part would be converting back...

Well, why not be multifaith ???

No need to disavow your current beliefs, in todays world anything seems to be acceptable. We can start collecting religious faiths like bubble gum baseball cards! /s

19 posted on 03/31/2010 1:26:58 PM PDT by whodathunkit
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To: DBrow

ALLAH AHKBAR!!


20 posted on 03/31/2010 1:27:08 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: Bobkk47

Hummm some of us are more equal than others


21 posted on 03/31/2010 1:27:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: bergmeid

Seems that Medicaid is OK for Muslims, they don’t make any payments into it. It’s just “free.”


22 posted on 03/31/2010 1:29:11 PM PDT by Spudx7
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To: Bobkk47
Muslims are specifically exempt

Obama has dhimmified all the infidels in one fell swoop. Surprise, surprise.

23 posted on 03/31/2010 1:30:26 PM PDT by Hardraade
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To: Bobkk47

And 0bama wants us NOT to ‘question his christianity?’

Zer0bama is a Muzlem, through and through.

Next thing, he’ll tell us not to question his citizenship . . . oh, wait. That already happened.


24 posted on 03/31/2010 1:32:00 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (SPEAK UP REPUBLICANS, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET! IMPEACH OBAMA!)
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To: seanmerc

Building them prayer rooms and foot-washing basins at taxpayer’s expense is also unconstitutional. But then again, Islam has been treated like a privileged subculture ever since 9/11 by our cowardly politicians.


25 posted on 03/31/2010 1:32:12 PM PDT by 353FMG (What else can Islam possibly contribute to America other than its destruction?)
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To: Bobkk47
What happened to separation of mosque and state?

-PJ

26 posted on 03/31/2010 1:32:24 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Why does this feel like a Westernized Shariah dhimmitude approach? If you want your cheap healthcare, convert to Islam.


27 posted on 03/31/2010 1:33:43 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: Bobkk47

Just call me Geronimo from now on.


28 posted on 03/31/2010 1:34:19 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Bobkk47

Catholics should at least have an option — after all, they put 0 in the WH and it is because of the Catholic Bart “Babykiller” Stupak’s deciding vote that hellcare became the law of the land.


29 posted on 03/31/2010 1:38:54 PM PDT by 353FMG (What else can Islam possibly contribute to America other than its destruction?)
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To: 353FMG

This is no different from Sharia. Obamacare is the Jizya.

And people laughed when I said Obama is a muslim?


30 posted on 03/31/2010 1:44:28 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: Bobkk47

bfl


31 posted on 03/31/2010 1:52:15 PM PDT by Vasilli22
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To: seanmerc

I don’t agree.. While being a Quaker or 7th Day Adventist did earn a deferment during the draft, those believers still had to pay their share of tax, even that tax which was spent on making or deterring war. These believers may be able to make a case that since their religion forbids taking part in health insurance, any penalty does not apply. So while their normal taxation goes to fund medicare, medicaid, and federal employees, they cannot be forced to pay a penalty above that taxation. In court. I think they win in a slam dunk.


32 posted on 03/31/2010 2:00:25 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Never compromise with evil! Even in the face of Armageddon!! Rorshach)
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To: DBrow

If this is the case it would make sense for American Indians not to have to pay taxes, but then I’m certain it would only exclude registered Indians(not an easy thing to do). In the treaties made by the US with American Indians, one of the items they recieved was health care in exchange for their land. Even so they still got screwed.


33 posted on 03/31/2010 2:18:32 PM PDT by BMWR1200C
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To: Bobkk47

I assume then, that when Muslims show up for health care at the doctor’s office or hospital, they will be asked to pay cash at the time of service?


34 posted on 03/31/2010 2:24:10 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: DBrow

Also wonder: if Muslims do not believe in insurance, presumably they do not already HAVE insurance even if available through their employers, etc. So HOW MANY of the 35 million or whatever uninsured are Muslims and/or are uninsured due to their religious beliefs (will fall under this exemption)?

Then what will be the net number of uninsured still left over due to refusal on religous grounds? If this whole health care reform deal only picks up a few million more insureds... well...you can finish the thought.


35 posted on 03/31/2010 2:26:29 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Bobkk47
This is discrimination on the basis of religion - there is no rational basis for this distinction other than differential treatment of religions based on the content of each individual religion, and therefore this discrimination cannot pass constitutional muster. Just as muslims cannot evade the requirement that they remove things like veils in order to have a driver's license picture taken, the converse (which really applies here) is that the distinctions made are too tenuous and of insufficient weight or merit to withstand constitutional review.

I will Not, I
36 posted on 03/31/2010 2:32:53 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Bobkk47
So how do these folks go about getting health care with no insurance? Are we picking up the tab through our forced insurance?

And if we fail to pay (I know it says above that if you don't believe in abortions, tough.) into the system because our conscience will not let us pay for abortions, how do we get medical care?

And if doctors DO NOT WANT TO KILL little growing babies inside their mom's womb, are they allowed to REFUSE?

37 posted on 03/31/2010 2:35:42 PM PDT by Republic (Stop the horrific liberals from spending ONE MORE DIME before they destroy our nation.)
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To: muawiyah; blam

Can those of Sa’ami descent also opt out??


38 posted on 03/31/2010 2:35:55 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: wolfcreek

Christians do not gamble either - so therefore I am exempt!


39 posted on 03/31/2010 2:37:14 PM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: DBrow

According to this study, 80% of the Arabs (a fair proxy for Muslims) in the Detroit area had health insurance of some type:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:riznjz-9_CQJ:www.accesscommunity.org/site/DocServer/health_and_research_cente_19.pdf+%22muslim%22%22health+insurance%22&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi3L_PSmEBXgY3kzLgut_Js7Q6E_ze4CF-bkOBzBOptFSnIeOeq1Wg6wjTWY9R8emaxBeXNKZl8xvsiGRRksmJprbJrSuFkCtvIXrZU-zCLw1aj-tO5QbrNi1_xmQwVmgq5tE2S&sig=AHIEtbROhUjHL8dteFWnka_ecm4g1sqCoQ


40 posted on 03/31/2010 2:47:05 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Bobkk47
"So, you want to opt out of the new government health care system?" "What is your name, sir?"

"My name is Mohammed. Mohammed Williams."

41 posted on 03/31/2010 2:53:29 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: seanmerc

So-ho-ho?


42 posted on 03/31/2010 3:21:04 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: whodathunkit

Festivus!


43 posted on 03/31/2010 3:21:58 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: hennie pennie
Now that's a good one ~ but being Sa'ami is a matter of racial differences and culture, not religion.

Still, some of them might. Possibly the Inari and the Skolt could pull it off by comparing their traditional culture which includes following migratory reindeer to that of the Arabs whose traditional culture includes following migratory goats.

A Sa'ami traditional shaman could probably get off the hook, but the Africanized people to the South have done so much to that tradition the federales would think it was just another Santa Claus schtick.

The ultimate test would be what happens in Europe. There, the last 500 Skolt speakers are subjected to intense medical scrutiny by the national health services of Russia, Finland and Sweden. They can't turn around to pull up their shorts they don't have a NHS type taking samples of their stool.

The results of these studies show up as great scientific works focusing mainly on liver function and dentistry.

There's a group in Florida who identify themselves as one of those Church of the First Born outfits, and they wear Amish style clothing. But they don't fool me ~ but they might trick IRS.

44 posted on 03/31/2010 4:24:22 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: yooling; Bobkk47
Taking a page from the Glenn Beck playbook, I'm wrapping my head very tightly with several layers of duct tape as I read this news.

The duct tape helps keep the chunks together when ones head explodes.

Thanks VERY much for posting, Bobkk47!

45 posted on 03/31/2010 6:45:32 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: yooling

Oh, and thanks yooling. I forgot to thank you for your post. My sentiments exactly!


46 posted on 03/31/2010 6:47:06 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: kjo
Members of congress are also exempt...they keep their very expensive TAX PAYER FUNDED private program.

Fixed it for you...

47 posted on 03/31/2010 6:50:11 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: Bobkk47

UNCONSTITUTIONAL! If Muslims can opt out, and Amish can opt out, then ANYONE should be able to opt out.


48 posted on 03/31/2010 7:07:02 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Remember Terri. 3 December 1963 - 31 March 2005.)
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To: Signalman

This absolutely knocks the wind out of me. This is NOT upholding separation of church and state. Is the census also considered “haram?”


49 posted on 04/01/2010 8:31:04 PM PDT by LadyShires
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