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1 posted on 04/02/2010 2:13:33 PM PDT by rxsid
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Ping!

"Founder and Historian David Ramsay Defines a Natural Born Citizen in 1789"

2 posted on 04/02/2010 2:14:24 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Looks good. The After-Birthers will have their panties in a wad. ;-) Bump for later read.


3 posted on 04/02/2010 2:16:53 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid

bump


4 posted on 04/02/2010 2:18:11 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: rxsid

Again proving the Constitution, it’s meaning, it’s wording , and it’s definitions were clearly a result of being referenced to Vattel’s Laws of Nations. So what does the Laws of Nations say about a “Natural Born Citizen”?

Vattel in Bk 1 Sec 212, states the following.

§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/natural-born-citizen-defined/

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5 posted on 04/02/2010 2:20:44 PM PDT by syc1959
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To: rxsid

Very interesting. Bump to read later. Thanks!


10 posted on 04/02/2010 2:27:55 PM PDT by azishot (J.D. Hayworth...U.S. Senator FOR Arizona...http://www.jdforsenate.com/)
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To: OldDeckHand; for-q-clinton; little jeremiah

PNSN:”Mommy and Daddy must BOTH be born in the USA in order for Baby to be considered a natural born citizen of the USA.”

ODH:In your opinion, your crazy, crazy opinion, as no court has ever held such a statement to be true, nor is there a definition of “natural born citizen” found in the US Constitution.

ODH:As for your explicit definition, there’s not a law school in the country, nor a state bar exam that adopts your definition.

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If my opion is so crazy as you claim, read some more crazy stuff.

In his 1789 article, Ramsay first explained who the “original citizens” were and then defined the “natural born citizens” as the children born in the country to citizen parents.


12 posted on 04/02/2010 2:33:41 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZEROcare!)
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21 posted on 04/02/2010 3:02:20 PM PDT by phockthis
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ping


29 posted on 04/02/2010 3:08:37 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Puzo1

Good work. :-)


31 posted on 04/02/2010 3:11:27 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid

Nothing new here.

This is what American History textbooks stated until history was removed form the curriculum.
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35 posted on 04/02/2010 3:14:11 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is a significant find. Mario Appuzo has found a Founder of this nation, a Continental Congressman, and a American historian of the Revolutionary War who expanded on what constitutes a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ from an essay he wrote in 1789. Pinged you so that you would know. :-)


48 posted on 04/02/2010 3:28:30 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid

Reference bump


51 posted on 04/02/2010 3:33:33 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The real death threat is their legislation" Rush Limbaugh, 3/25/10)
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for later reading


65 posted on 04/02/2010 4:25:12 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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Ramsay's "Dissertation on the Manners of Acquiring the Character and Privileges of a Citizen of the United States" (1789)
can be found in in Apuzzo's letter to the court KERCHNER v OBAMA (APPEAL) - Letter Dated 4-2-10, beginning page 5.
69 posted on 04/02/2010 4:59:58 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Good.

Make it stick!


70 posted on 04/02/2010 5:07:10 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 435 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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As we've demonstrated here on FR many times, if you apply EITHER Vattel's Law of Nations (Natural Law) or Blackstone's Commentaries (Common Law) to define Obama's Eligibility in the eyes of the Framers, Obama loses either way.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.


Vattel's Law of Nations (TWO Citizen Parents required)

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Blackstone's Commentaries ("service to two masters" a/k/a Dual Citizenship)
Obama Blackstone - Allegience is PERMANENT


72 posted on 04/02/2010 5:19:34 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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As we've demonstrated here on FR many times, if you apply EITHER Vattel's Law of Nations (Natural Law) or Blackstone's Commentaries (Common Law) to define Obama's Eligibility in the eyes of the Framers, Obama loses either way.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.


Vattel's Law of Nations (TWO Citizen Parents required)

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Blackstone's Commentaries ("service to two masters" a/k/a Dual Citizenship)
Obama Blackstone - Allegience is PERMANENT


73 posted on 04/02/2010 5:20:23 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: rxsid

bump


85 posted on 04/02/2010 6:03:39 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off.)
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To: rxsid

Very important! Thank you for this historic context.


88 posted on 04/02/2010 6:31:00 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: rxsid

Citizen of the world, illegal alien, usurper........POS. Frog march this marxist muslim scumbag out of the people’s house.


96 posted on 04/02/2010 6:43:21 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (If the constitutional eligibility of the president is not a "winning issue," then our nation is lost)
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