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To: ansel12

Neo-Conservatives are big government conservatives. They want to better manage the welfare state, not dissasseble it. I think they are probably pretty close to the term Rockefeller Republican that was used in the 1960s.

Few of them would look with kindness on the Barry Goldwater candidacy of 1964. They now have adopted Reagan.

The term neo-conservative was coined by Irving Kristol who was Williams father. The founders were famously described as “Liberals who had been mugged by reality”. While not opposed to a lot of the basic liberal social policy of the times (late 1960s) they were very opposed to the lack-luster support for the Cold War and tacit support for communism that the Democrats were just starting to embrace with national politicians like McCarthy, McGovern, and others of that ilk.

They therefore left the Liberal establishment and became neo-conservatives. Many made more-or-less common cause with William Buckley at that time. Buckley had created the post-war conservatism by rejecting from the movement those older conservatives who supported isolationism, as well as those he considered too rabid (like John Birch Society) and all those considered anti-semitic.

Given that many of the founders of Neo-conservatism were Jewish, they were already welcome in this newer group. The three pillars of Buckley’s conservatism were: strong anti-communist policy, including strong active defense, free market economics and support for traditional social mores. For instance in 1964 Buckley opposed the Civil Rights act, for reasons similar to those Rand Paul recently tried to explain.

The neos always were even more focused on the anti-communism and military part, supportives in a general way of the free markets part, and downplayed the social conservative part.

The focus on Anti-Communism was transferred by the neo-cons, led by Kristol, to a focus on anti-Islamic terrorism before and after 9/11. George Bush’ top advisors included notable neo-cons Condi Rice, Richard Perle, Wolfowitz, and Elliot Abrams.

Because so many of the prominent neo-cons are Jews it has been used, at times, as a polite code-word for “Jewish Influence”. I don’t use it in this way, because there are many non-Jewish neo-cons, and the majority of Jews are not neo-cons.

Neo-con, to me is a pretty clear and accurate description of one variation of conservatism that is active today. The others would be “paleo-conservatism” (throwback to the pre-WW2 era, which would include people like Pat Buchanan, Taki, and even Ron Paul. Social conservatism and libertarianism (which overlaps with the Paleos a bit) are the other two.

Pat Buchanan has spent much of his political career arguing with and belittling the neo-cons. He opposed the Iraq war as unnecessary (but supported Bush once it had begun.) Kristol, Perle et al. were the main architects of the war.
Buchanans autobiography is titled “Right from the Begining”, itself a dig at the neos.

In general I consider most of FR to be neocon oriented. There was overwhelmig support for Iraq here. There is a view that Islam is the biggest threat to the world.

JimRob, our host, is not a fan of the Paleo’s much and doesn’t allow many leading Paleo publications to be posted from here. The main reason I see for this is: many paleos consider themselves “race realists” and will talk fankly about problems with the black minority in America in ways that make liberals and neo-cons uncomfortable.

Many Paleos also agree that the neos are overfocused on Israel at the expense of America. They view Iraq, at least in part being a scam by mostly Jewish intellectuals to convince American (through Bush) to fight Israel’s wars for her.

Many neos (non Jewish ones) are strong supporters of Israel and find this whole line of discussion rude and anti-semitic. Many neos belong to so-called Christian-Zionist denominations that strongly support Israel and America supporting Israel (Rev. Haggee being the most famous), based on their interpretation of scripture, particularly prophecy.

Hope this helps.


54 posted on 07/27/2010 5:16:21 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

Here is a site you might want to visit

http://www.dailykos.com

Go there. Stay there. Stop darkening this forum with your presence. You are a Palin hater and you are the enemy.


56 posted on 07/27/2010 5:23:19 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Jack Black

So Tim Pawlenty is the choice of the “paleo” crowd?


57 posted on 07/27/2010 5:23:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Jack Black

With all due respect, you’re drowning yourself in labels, names and dates.

Your post really says nothing. If you have to be dependent on a label, just go with “constitutionalist.” It will clear up the confusion and the distraction.


84 posted on 07/27/2010 8:29:26 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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