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To: allmendream

If the HDOH sent the announcements to both papers, then why do the papers have different lists? Some names appear in only one. Judging by the number of announcements compared to the number of births reported in the CDC, some names don’t appear in either. Some names appear 2-3 weeks after they appeared in the other paper.

And the HDOH was only authorized to release lists for the newspapers in 1976.

The “full faith and credit clause” also means that if Hawaii statute says that an amended and/or late birth certificate is not probative, other states have to abide by that as well. And that is precisely what HRS 338-17 says - which is inconvenient for Obama, because the HDOH has indirectly confirmed that Obama’s BC was amended in 2006. It is not legally valid. BEcause that amendment is not noted on the Factcheck or Fight the Smears COLB’s, those are known to be forgeries. The HDOH has also made other statements which indirectly confirm in 2 other ways that the Factcheck COLB is forged.

So what do we have? Forged birth announcements (see my last post) that wouldn’t even have come from the HDOH, online images of a forged COLB, and an amended (and most probably also late), and thus legally invalid, birth certificate at the HDOH.

It’s no wonder Obama doesn’t want a judge to look at this issue in earnest.


30 posted on 01/05/2011 1:57:58 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
As to why they have different lists, who knows.

But what is absolutely untrue is that there was no connection between any government agency and these newspaper announcements, as was stated.

The Hawaii DOH says they send the information to the papers. The Papers say they get the information through the Hawaii DOH.

While I never discounted there being other mechanisms to get listed (and even suggested that filing for a COLB for a baby NOT born in Hawaii (they issued them) might trigger the same DOH notice to the newspapers); what the article said was ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE about there being NO connection between any government agency and these birth announcements.

Easily dismissed untruths of this sort serve to discredit the cause, even worse is when the wagons are circled around the untruth and fire is directed at those who dared to point out that what was said was untrue.

Typical M.O. unfortunately.

32 posted on 01/05/2011 2:07:11 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: butterdezillion
As to why they have different lists, who knows.

But what is absolutely untrue is that there was no connection between any government agency and these newspaper announcements, as was stated.

The Hawaii DOH says they send the information to the papers. The Papers say they get the information through the Hawaii DOH.

While I never discounted there being other mechanisms to get listed (and even suggested that filing for a COLB for a baby NOT born in Hawaii (they issued them) might trigger the same DOH notice to the newspapers); what the article said was ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE about there being NO connection between any government agency and these birth announcements.

Easily dismissed untruths of this sort serve to discredit the cause, even worse is when the wagons are circled around the untruth and fire is directed at those who dared to point out that what was said was untrue.

Typical M.O. unfortunately.

33 posted on 01/05/2011 2:14:13 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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