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Advice/suggestions wanted re treatments for migrane headaches
one man's opinion...

Posted on 01/26/2011 1:38:32 PM PST by ken5050

My girlfriend has suffered for years from migrane headaches, She's tried a variety of remedies, with little or no success, and she basically toughs it out when they hit, taking Excedrin. Of late, she's had an increasing occurance of migrane, and they seem to be more debilitating than usual. Someone told me about Adele Davis, and her books, and pantotheric acid (?) and Vitamin B6. I searched Amazon, she has multiple books...so I'm wondering if anyone here has any common experience, or advice as to possible migrane treatments. Thanks


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Any thoughts, suggestions, ideas much appreciated.

Some background. She's 55, in superb health..runs daily and works out often. Never smoked, hardly ever drinks, never done any drugs, and avoids most medicines if possible..

1 posted on 01/26/2011 1:38:34 PM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050

My sister uses an ice pack and lies down.


2 posted on 01/26/2011 1:39:51 PM PST by magna carta
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To: Admin Moderator
Could you kindly insert a space in the headline between "for" and "migrane"

Many thanks..my bad..

3 posted on 01/26/2011 1:40:10 PM PST by ken5050 (Palin/Bachman 2012 - FOUR boobs are better than the two we have now!)
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To: ken5050

Goody’s powders.


4 posted on 01/26/2011 1:40:12 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand.)
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To: ken5050

Guess it depends on if you have a deficiency or not but Magnesium supplements work for me. (Takes about 15 minutes for the psychedelic light shapes in my eyes to stop)


5 posted on 01/26/2011 1:41:43 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: ken5050

I feel for her. Migraines tend to run in families, a curse I guess.
As weird as it sounds my doctor told me to rest in a dark room and place ice packs on the inside of my wrists. I actually feel better. It allows me to push through until it passes.
God’s speed.


6 posted on 01/26/2011 1:41:45 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: ken5050
Never smoked, hardly ever drinks, never done any drugs

This could be the problem.

7 posted on 01/26/2011 1:41:49 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: ken5050

After you get this worked out, see if you can clone her.


8 posted on 01/26/2011 1:41:58 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand.)
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To: ken5050

Don’t have an answer for you, but I’ve gained a new sympathy for migrane sufferers. Saturday, I had the worst headache I’ve ever had in my life. It absolutely would not go away. It’s still lingering, but not nearly as bad.

I hope y’all are able to find a remedy.


9 posted on 01/26/2011 1:41:58 PM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: ken5050

I had the same problem about 15 years ago. After I spent 3 days in the hospital on morphine, a friend introduced me to his chiropractor who examined me and found the cause of the problem. Simple adjustment and I was as good as new. Haven’t had a migraine since. Have your girlfriend see a chiropractor and at least be examined. It will cost her an office call and may fix her problem. Good luck - I have felt her pain....red


10 posted on 01/26/2011 1:42:53 PM PST by rednek ("Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.")
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To: the invisib1e hand; humblegunner

Many thanks...LOL


11 posted on 01/26/2011 1:43:39 PM PST by ken5050 (Palin/Bachman 2012 - FOUR boobs are better than the two we have now!)
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To: ken5050

800 mg of ibuprofen.
2 Tylenol.
A can of coke or coffee.

Same as the Excedrin migraine formula but at higher doses. Works for me to minimize the vision effects greatly.


12 posted on 01/26/2011 1:44:50 PM PST by sbMKE
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To: ken5050

Drugs. Lots of drugs. I’m a 37yo male that has suffered from migraines since childhood. I have been prescribed narcotics for them for one brief time. I didn’t like the drugs, so stopped them. Now that I’m older and appreciate the life that I have with my family, I prefer to be knocked out until the migraine passes. Recently, I had elbow surgery and was prescribed Lortab for pain. During recovery, I had two migraines. Lortab helped. I will soon be asking the doc for something much stronger than the usual dose of Orudis for the pain.

I wish there was something constructive I could offer. Sleeping in a quiet, dark room, Tiger Balm patches and larger than normal doses of Motrin seem to work for me.


13 posted on 01/26/2011 1:44:58 PM PST by BigBlueJon ("And shepherds we shall be....For Thee, my Lord, for Thee....")
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To: humblegunner

that’s what killed Jack LeLanne


14 posted on 01/26/2011 1:46:11 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: ken5050

I understand her wanting to avoid medicines - I am the same. However, when I found that Imitrex would stop a migraine in it’s tracks, I was happy.

Imitrex worked well for me for a while, and then the migraines became resistant to it. I am now in my mid-fifties also, and the migraines are few and far between. When I feel one coming on, I use Excedrine Migraine.


15 posted on 01/26/2011 1:46:57 PM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: ken5050

Does she get any warning symptoms? My eyes get spots about a half an hour before the pain. Small doses of caffeine ( a caffeinated soda is enough), sun glasses, and some relaxation keeps the headache from fully developing. It takes anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour for the symptoms to subside. I look like an idiot, but it’s so much better than being knocked out for several hours.


16 posted on 01/26/2011 1:48:42 PM PST by PrincessB (Drill Baby Drill.)
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The Medical Assistant that took care of me today mentioned that she takes Vitamin B and vitamin C. Since she has started taking it, it has cut down her migraines to only once per month.


17 posted on 01/26/2011 1:51:01 PM PST by Joy in the Journey (is not the lazy man's checkbook)
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To: ken5050

cafergot - med


18 posted on 01/26/2011 1:51:50 PM PST by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: ken5050
Several suggestions. First, knock off the Excedrin. If she's taking it more than one or two times a week, it can cause rebound headaches, which just creates a vicious cycle. Get headache, take Excedrin, headache goes away, Excedrin wears off, headache comes back, take more Excedrin, etc. Second, knock off caffeine. Third, start tracking what “triggers” the migraine; chocolate, caffeine, sharp cheeses, red wine, lima beans, too much/not enough sleep, stress, weather, etc. Some people get exertion migraines from working out too hard or exerting themselves in certain ways too much. If she can't control the migraines by avoiding her triggers, she may need to see a headache specialist (neurologist) and be put on a maintenance drug to reduce the frequency. Topomax is a good one.

I've lived with migraines my whole life. Not fun. She has my sympathy.

19 posted on 01/26/2011 1:52:18 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: ken5050

My gf is 59, has had migraines for years. She does know some things that seem to be triggers, chocolate, licorice, many fragerances (perfumes, etc.). She avoids triggers. She’s taken Feverfew (google it) with some success, but the holy grail for killing a migraine for her is Imitrex.


20 posted on 01/26/2011 1:54:39 PM PST by umgud
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To: ken5050

I get them seasonally...usually for a few weeks in mid to late autumn. Although I’ve never had them medically evaluated, I suspect they originate from the onset of colder weather and the effects of shorter days on my metabolism. While they’re usually not of very long duration, I get some relief from soaking in a hot bath tub, and actually increasing my caffeine intake.


21 posted on 01/26/2011 1:54:45 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ken5050

Sounds like she is a health concious person. I suspect that she takes vitamins and perhaps a mineral supplement. If that is the case, have her stop taking them for 1 week and drink slightly more water. If that works, then she needs to back off the supplements. If that does not work, have her check with an alergy specialist.


22 posted on 01/26/2011 1:55:39 PM PST by taxcontrol
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Could be a food allergy, it often is. The problem is, its often more than one, so isolating which ones is sometimes difficult. But it will be something you wouldn’t expect.

Once you’ve figured out the triggers, its much easier to live with. You can have some control, and when you mess up, at least you know what you did (and you can start in with the excedrin early).


23 posted on 01/26/2011 1:56:25 PM PST by marron
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To: ken5050

In my case, they came during periods of high stress. Mine came with numbness on the whole side of my body, expressive aphasia and extensive visual disturbance during the aura.

I had good success taking Imitrex during the aura.

I learned to control them by the types of food I ate. Pistachios and blue cheese are what set me off. Also certain types of fish oil supplements. Migraine is related to food allergy in my experience. Other allegens are also a factor.

Good luck.


24 posted on 01/26/2011 1:57:00 PM PST by frithguild (The Democrat Party Brand - Big Government protecting Entrenched Interests from Competition)
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To: ken5050

Excedrin Migraine helps but not always then its an ice pack. I’m thinking I may be allergic to some foods etc. & thinking about checking it out with a specialist later this year.


25 posted on 01/26/2011 1:57:16 PM PST by jrcats (Sarah Palin's Alaska beats Obama's D.C. Disaster!)
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To: ken5050

Grab three advil and a caffeinated drink (coke, coffee, etc.).

Take them at the first sign of symptoms.

This works wonderfully for me. It’s all gone in about 15 minutes.


26 posted on 01/26/2011 1:58:24 PM PST by webstersII
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To: Hoffer Rand
Third, start tracking what “triggers” the migraine; chocolate, caffeine, sharp cheeses, red wine, lima beans, too much/not enough sleep, stress, weather, etc. Some people get exertion migraines from working out too hard or exerting themselves in certain ways too much. If she can't control the migraines by avoiding her triggers

Best advice so far.

27 posted on 01/26/2011 1:59:20 PM PST by frithguild (The Democrat Party Brand - Big Government protecting Entrenched Interests from Competition)
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To: ken5050

Has she had her potassium checked? Low potassium and low magnesium can cause or make worse migraine headaches. They can’t check magnesium very well. Only what’s in the blood not what’s at the cellular level. Just take magnesium, it won’t hurt you and is very safe. The only time there is a danger is if she’s had a heart attack or if her kidney’s are low or not functioning. If you get to much magnesium you’ll just get loose bowels. Start with 400mg. a day and work up over a few weeks to around 800-1000mg a day. When you start getting a touch of the runs, back off until you don’t have that problem anymore. This should help and it sure can’t hurt. Most American’s don’t get enough magnesium anyway, there is a lack of it in our over planted soil.


28 posted on 01/26/2011 1:59:35 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I get them seasonally...usually for a few weeks in mid to late autumn.

You have allergies to the flora and fauna at that time of year. Mine are to the mold that grows on fallen leaves. I am more susceptible to migranes when I am more highly exposed to allergens.

29 posted on 01/26/2011 2:01:36 PM PST by frithguild (The Democrat Party Brand - Big Government protecting Entrenched Interests from Competition)
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To: Bluebird Singing

After sufferng migraines for 20 years (never diagnosed because I didnt have all the classic symptoms), Imitrex was a Godsend for me. She’ll have to be seen by a Dr

If it is a true migraine then the pain is caused by blood vessels dilating too much, not constricting. So anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen won’t work, she needs a vasoconstrictor, not a dilator (which is why ice works for some people)

That means her blood pressure will have to be checked periodically to keep her prescription- but oh, imagine the relief of stopping the pain before it gets started

Luckily I seem to have aged out of migraines


30 posted on 01/26/2011 2:02:42 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: ken5050

Oh, and given her age, the change in frequency/intensity may be related to the menopause process and her hormones. As weird as it sounds, she may want to chat with her OB/GYN about it.


31 posted on 01/26/2011 2:03:19 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: ken5050
If she works out a lot, she's sweating it out and low in magnesium. It takes awhile for your body to replace lost magnesium. It will only take in so much at one time. Magnesium is needed for more than 300 biochemical reactions. It helps regulate blood sugar levels and is needed for normal muscle and nerve function, heart rhythm, immune function, blood pressure, and for bone health.

Also I've read feverfew is very helpful to some people. Don't know enough about that one though. Never tried it myself.

32 posted on 01/26/2011 2:03:54 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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Find a doc who specializes in migraines. There are some very effective drugs for treating them.


33 posted on 01/26/2011 2:05:35 PM PST by iowamark
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I’m not too sure about that. I’ve lived in enough different places (literally continents apart) that I have doubts about the flora and fauna.


34 posted on 01/26/2011 2:11:09 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ken5050

A cup of strong coffee at the first sign of a symptom is known to help some.


35 posted on 01/26/2011 2:12:07 PM PST by devere
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To: ken5050
I've had migraines ... starting way back when I was in jr. high. More than 15 years ago I tried Imitrex. It helped, if I took it at the first sign of headache and before I knew whether the pending headache was a migraine or just a headache. Then a friend at work turned me on to Excedrin and Pepsi. Really was a better alternative to the Imitrex. I know it's not especially good for you, but Excedrin is my miracle drug.

However, the last few years they've been gone. I have heard they can be related to gall bladder problems, and I think they stopped around the time my gall bladder was removed. So if something she's doing/eating is stressing her gall bladder, that may be a factor.

True, they are often caused by food allergies.

Also, holistic remedies include trying fresh lemon juice in water or organic apple juice in water (depending on the headache, sometimes one works, sometimes the other), and it should start to lessen in 15 minutes. Also, they say 1 tsp of fish oil every 15 minutes until it is better may help.

I am sorry. They are horrible.

36 posted on 01/26/2011 2:16:14 PM PST by JustSurrounded (Repeal it all.)
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To: ken5050
I've known two ladies that suffered from migraine headaches.

The suggestion was to intake Zero artificial sweeteners (zero diet/sugar free food & drinks). They reduced the migraines to a point of being very infrequent and shorter duration.

37 posted on 01/26/2011 2:16:58 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: ken5050
You could try binaural sounds.

http://healingbeats.com/

38 posted on 01/26/2011 2:18:51 PM PST by jetson
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To: ken5050

Doe she drink a lot of diet soda? My ex was addicted to the stuff and it caused migraine-like symptoms. I get migraines and use excedrin. Always works.


39 posted on 01/26/2011 2:19:07 PM PST by mirkwood (Palin-Bachmann 2012)
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To: JustSurrounded

Oh, excedrin is still around. It’s our upper of choice at work - they buy it for us. ONE Excedrin about 2:30 or 3:00 and I’m ready to rock on through the rest of the day and on into the night. Caffeine, Aspirin, and Acetaminophen.


40 posted on 01/26/2011 2:19:43 PM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: ken5050
She's 55, in superb health..runs daily and works out often. Never smoked, hardly ever drinks, never done any drugs, and avoids most medicines if possible..

Sounds to me like her problem is caused from lack of self indulgence.........tell her to give up the running and workouts and start drinking and maybe even start dating. When the above regimen is followed, ibuprofen works wonders..........

41 posted on 01/26/2011 2:21:51 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only thing Super Glue is good for is gluing your fingers together.....)
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To: MsLady

“Has she had her potassium checked? Low potassium and low magnesium can cause or make worse migraine headaches. They can’t check magnesium very well. Only what’s in the blood not what’s at the cellular level. Just take magnesium, it won’t hurt you and is very safe. The only time there is a danger is if she’s had a heart attack or if her kidney’s are low or not functioning. If you get to much magnesium you’ll just get loose bowels. Start with 400mg. a day and work up over a few weeks to around 800-1000mg a day. When you start getting a touch of the runs, back off until you don’t have that problem anymore. This should help and it sure can’t hurt. Most American’s don’t get enough magnesium anyway, there is a lack of it in our over planted soil.”

You are very well informed.

Magnesium and fish oil should be staple supplements for most people. Because most of us don’t eat enough magnesium or omega-3 fat in our diets. Both are vital for proper heart function, and good for lots of other things, including migraine avoidance.


42 posted on 01/26/2011 2:22:25 PM PST by devere
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To: ken5050
First, I might check on foods/beverages consumed, i.e. are the foods processed or fresh ("God made not man made"); as to beverages, does she consume soft drinks, if so, are they diet and if so, what is the artificial sweetener used; if consuming teas, are they green or fermented and lastly, if she consumes any alcohol, especially wines, red bothers many migraine suffers and domestic whites include sulfites (remember the salad bar scares - sulfur dioxide was used to keep veggies fresh and wound up sending many of those consuming them to the ER.

I do not choose to take "preventative meds" daily as most are for epileptics to prevent seizures. I decided that if I could find an effective med to treat my headache, I didn't want to risk a daily dose of an anti-seizure as opposed to taking a pill or other to treat one that occurred.

After taking a few different kinds of medication for migraines, I have found the drug "Axert" to be superior - but I take it immediately upon the first symptom.

Lastly, women such as myself, who never took as much as an aspirin for a headache before mid-life, launch into full blown debilitating migraines after ward and your friend is in that age group so we do know that hormones play a big part.

43 posted on 01/26/2011 2:22:30 PM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: ken5050

Bookmark.


44 posted on 01/26/2011 2:23:10 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: ken5050

Mega doses of caffeine and Ibuprofen (6 ib’s and a half a pot of very strong coffee) have always worked for me.

My GF had untreatable migraines until her doctor told her to try taking 3 Aleve’s (Naproxen). The dosage on the box says 1-2 but the prescription strength is 3. Works for her.


45 posted on 01/26/2011 2:25:09 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: ken5050
At the first sign of one eye seeing flashy lights that the other eye doesn't I found that if I shut my eyes(in a darken room works the best)and massage the neck opposite the affected eye for about ten minutes it clears up and I totally avoid the frickin headache. Do not attempt while driving or performing surgery.
46 posted on 01/26/2011 2:25:28 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: Hoffer Rand

“Several suggestions. First, knock off the Excedrin. If she’s taking it more than one or two times a week, it can cause rebound headaches, which just creates a vicious cycle.”

Good advice.


47 posted on 01/26/2011 2:25:33 PM PST by devere
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To: ken5050
Has she tried chiropractic review and treatments? I know I might get slammed but I know, for sure, two people who suffered terrible migranes and chiropractic treatment helped. Once a chiropractor can check her out, there might be some spinal alignment problems and, believe me, seeing a chiropractor nowadays is a lot less worrisome than filling your body with medications.

I see one for some problems and have had wonderful results. And I was in such pain that I was on strong dosage of Dilaudid for neck/shoulder pain, and now I take no meds and am 75% pain free and manageable. The Dilaudid continually made me sleepy, clouded my thinking, and made it next to impossible to drive. Not a way to live.

Also, strong faith that God will help never hurts, if a person is truly a believer.

48 posted on 01/26/2011 2:27:08 PM PST by CitizenM (If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.-Ronald Re)
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To: ken5050

I can speak from personal experience that many foods can be headache “triggers.” This book, written by a neurologist, focuses on self-help dietary changes that can help avoid headaches, and has benefited our family greatly:

Heal Your Headache:

http://www.amazon.com/Heal-Your-Headache-Program-Taking/dp/0761125663


49 posted on 01/26/2011 2:27:55 PM PST by NetLiberty
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To: ken5050

Oh she has my sympathy...I had migraines at the rate of 2 or 3 a week for many, many years. Way before some of the new meds we now have. The only thing that gave me any relief was to force myself to throw up a number of times and then try to fall asleep. Sometimes it wasn’t until I got very nauseous from the pain but once I got that I knew I had to throw up..,.and once I got to that point I could almost feel the headache leaving and getting into a deep sleep then helped.
For me it was hormonal and once I reached say 55 they disappeared totally....today I do have the ocular migraine but other than visual disturbances they are nothing compared to the actual magraines. I wish her good luck in finding some relief....for everyone it seems to be so different as to triggers or getting relief. Mine first started when I was 28 out of nowhere...in fact at first I was sure I had a brain tumor!! Extremely painful...I’d do plenty of research as to all the various reasons and try to pinpoint something if possible.........


50 posted on 01/26/2011 2:31:50 PM PST by grannyheart2000
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