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Rand Paul is a RINO
MensNewsDaily.com ^ | February 27, 2011 | Roger F. Gay

Posted on 02/27/2011 3:51:37 AM PST by RogerFGay

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To: txlurker
Gay did not mash abuse on that. Someone else did.

Your link went to a liberal website attacking Gay largely for his writings against AGW propaganda - and also belittling American conservatives in general. Not something we want to give linkage to.

101 posted on 02/27/2011 6:54:27 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: txlurker

I have no idea. I don’t have administrative authority here and haven’t heard anything about posting problems or removals.


102 posted on 02/27/2011 6:54:53 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
Social conservatives did more to destroy marriage than anyone else

I read the POPS vs Gardner summary, though your link didn't work. It seems it was about divorce more than marriage. I guess the core of "social conservatism" would be strongly against divorce in the first place, and strongly for monogamy. So , to say that "social conservatism" "did more to destroy marriage than anyone else" indicates that you're approaching from a different direction. In fact "social conservatism" is one one of the bedrocks upon which the Constitution was founded. Let me play "Kreskin," or however you spell the Johnny Carson character-- you , or a very close friend, got beat up in court over custody and child support issues, and you now live in Sweden to be outside of the jurisdiction

103 posted on 02/27/2011 6:55:02 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: RogerFGay

Why not show some real balls and examine the natural born citizen issue with as much fervor? You don’t need to take a side just report on all of the facts.

Like the March 4th USSC hearing, the Larkin case.


104 posted on 02/27/2011 6:55:40 AM PST by stockpirate (U-6 Total unemployed for January 2011 16.1 percent)
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To: gusopol3

The conclusion is based on actual political history - not a loosely constructed theory. The Reagan administration promoted “government enforcement of personal responsibility” - a pretty obvious oxymoron that started me on the path of understanding the level of stupidity involved in politics. People whose political views are steered by socially conservative values jumped on the band-wagon in droves. Divorce and marriage law is the same thing. It’s also called family law and was previously a state issue (as the Constitution would have it) under “civil law.” More than that, the USSC had previously defined marriage as a “sacred, private institution.” The POPS case changed that by redefining marriage and family issues as “social policy.” I guess I’ll have to find another link to the POPS case.


105 posted on 02/27/2011 7:02:45 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: Admin Moderator

I didn’t accuse him of having it pulled. I was asking about his residential status. A private post to me would have sufficed by you or him.


106 posted on 02/27/2011 7:03:21 AM PST by txlurker
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To: RogerFGay
"Therefore, acceptance of same-sex marriage is Constitutionally required."

Is THAT a fact?

Perhaps we're talking of two distinct documents because the USC I'm familiar w/ contains no such requirement.

The USC is not a suicide pact that requires us to destroy the social fabric in the name of "fairness". If you do not understand the foundational nature of heterosexual marriage and its necessity for the maintenance of society then I'm afraid that you are a dunderhead and that any further argument is pointless.

107 posted on 02/27/2011 7:03:55 AM PST by Pietro
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To: stockpirate

My balls aren’t real?


108 posted on 02/27/2011 7:04:20 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: Pietro
Under the USC, there is no such thing as "social policy" to begin with. It's a name for a classification invented by federal courts to accommodate extra-Constitutional activities by the federal government. In terms of individual rights and protection against arbitrary government policy, it's equivalent in stature to fiscal policy. You have no individual right that will get your tax rates declared unconstitutional; except under "equal treatment" - doesn't matter whether you find that exact phrase in the Constitution or not. The term "social policy" is used when referring to welfare programs. A welfare recipient can similarly not have their entitlements increased by Constitutional argument - except for equal treatment.

The transition to social policy from civil law was a redefinition of marriage from a sacred private institution to an element of government welfare programs; where equal treatment (equal entitlement to government program benefits) arguments apply.
109 posted on 02/27/2011 7:12:47 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
My balls aren’t real?

Who cares? Answer the question about your residency guy. Why won't you say yes I reside in the states or no I don't.

110 posted on 02/27/2011 7:14:11 AM PST by txlurker
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To: gusopol3

I was an expert witness in P.O.P.S. - a scientist who created the most complete theoretical child support decision model in the world. http://isr.nu/cs/index.htm


111 posted on 02/27/2011 7:14:23 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

No doubt you made some good points re Bentley, but I think you’re riding your cause into battle rather than a more comprehensive principle.


112 posted on 02/27/2011 7:15:31 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
I think you’re riding your cause into battle rather than a more comprehensive principle.

Abandoning the Constitutional relationship between government and the people to allow arbitrary government control is a pretty big thing.
113 posted on 02/27/2011 7:22:46 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

yep


114 posted on 02/27/2011 7:33:21 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; JLS

ping


115 posted on 02/27/2011 8:05:33 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

When I’m asked, “What defines a Conservative”, my first item is, “One who believes in personal responsibility”.

I was waiting for him to say something about that.


116 posted on 02/27/2011 8:29:28 AM PST by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: gwilhelm56
You are wasting your time and wasting a perfectly good term. You can go all the way back to political analysis written by a variety of observers in the United States that refer to the practice of Republicans latching onto popular Democrats to run as Republicans ~

You really have to learn to refer to Leftwingtards by their correct name ~ which NEVER has the word Republican in it.

McCain still isn't a RINO ~ never was. He's stuck dealing with LBJ's agenda. It's totally out of synch with the time, but you'll find his position is absolutely identical to that of Jerry Ford and Richard Nixon at that time on almost every Democrat initiative.

And if you want to denounce Nixon as a RINO, go ahead and we'll hoot you off the stage.

117 posted on 02/27/2011 9:31:59 AM PST by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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To: muawiyah; gwilhelm56

A semantic argument trying to replace substance? I’ve never seen that in a political discussion before. (lol) RINO can refer to any politician who uses the Republican name brand but doesn’t adhere to conservative principles. Having previously been a Democrat and switching to the Republican Party name brand for political convenience (like union leader Ronald Reagan for example) is not required.


118 posted on 02/27/2011 11:59:33 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
I see what your problem is. You are trying to confound CONSERVATIVE and REPUBLICAN.

That doesn't work for a wide variety of reasons ~ one of which is that ALL Conservatives aren't Republicans, and another that ALL Republicans aren't Conservatives.

It's also impermissible to confound TEA Party with REPUBLICAN Party, and vice versa.

119 posted on 02/27/2011 12:53:12 PM PST by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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To: muawiyah

Oh, is that my problem? Everyone was waiting for the judgment to be handed down. I suppose I should click over to CNN and see how they spin it now.


120 posted on 02/27/2011 12:54:37 PM PST by RogerFGay
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