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To: Noumenon
Totally agree. When election time comes around, I'm prepared to go through the motions, but the electoral process won't fix this.

Half the country want to be free and have the country wants to own slaves. We've been here before, and the result isn't pretty.

16 posted on 03/02/2011 8:29:09 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
Half the country want to be free and have the country wants to own slaves. We've been here before, and the result isn't pretty.

It will in fact ba a lot worse. The Civil War had clearly defined boundaries with large relatively safe areas containing the vast majority of the population. With the exceptions of Richmond, Columbia SC and Atlanta very few civilians saw the impact of total war. In the upcoming war we will all be residents of Bleeding Kansas. It won't be armies fighting along a front but raid and counter raid by ruthless gangs.

While it is popular, especially among southerners, to vilify Sherman, at least he concentrated on items with military value. He did not for example line up civilians by the thousand and have them shot. He just burned everything that would be of use to the other side. And his people stopped burning when he told them to. That may seem a minor point, but an army under control of a leader, no matter how ruthless, is far easier to deal with than a collection of street gangs held together by nothing more than a desire to loot and pillage.

We will be facing a situation like Lebanon where nobody controls more than a fraction of the mob on either side. There is no way to end the war short of exterminating the other side. And in many places the "other side" are going to be friends and relatives. Getting ugly doesn't even start to describe what is happening.
21 posted on 03/02/2011 8:42:41 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Half the country want to be free and half the country wants to own the other half as slaves.

As I see it, it's not all that different today from the days of the First American Revolution.

Roughly 1/3 of the colonials wanted to remain British subjects.
Roughly 1/3 of the colonials didn't care one way or the other.
Roughly 1/3 of the colonials wished to live as free men, and passionately so.

Roughly 3% were actively engaged at any one time in the fight for freedom. I'm a proud three-percenter. If that be treason then I invite our aspiring slave mastes to make the most of it. So now, 235 years later, here is what we face:

“It is your mind that they want you to surrender-all those who preach the creed of sacrifice, whatever their tags or their motives, whether they demand it for the sake of your soul or of your body, whether they promise you another life in heaven or a full stomach on this earth. Those who start by saying: ‘It is selfish to pursue your own wishes, you must sacrifice them to the wishes of others’-end up by saying: ‘It is selfish to uphold your convictions, you must sacrifice them to the convictions of others.”

“This much is true: the most selfish of all things is the independent mind that recognizes no authority higher than its own and no value higher than its judgment of truth. You are asked to sacrifice your intellectual integrity, your logic, your reason, your standard of truth-in favor of becoming a prostitute whose standard is the greatest good for the greatest number.”

“If you search your code for guidance, for an answer to the question: ‘What is the good?’-the only answer you will find is ‘The good of others.’ The good is whatever others wish, whatever you feel they feel they wish, or whatever you feel they ought to feel. ‘The good of others’ is a magic formula that transforms anything into gold, a formula to be recited as a guarantee of moral glory and as a fumigator for any action, even the slaughter of a continent. Your standard of virtue is not an object, not an act, not a principle, but an intention. You need no proof, no reasons, no success, you need not achieve in fact the good of others-all you need to know is that your motive was the good of others, not your own. Your only definition of the good is a negation: the good is the ‘non-good for me.’”

“Your code-which boasts that it upholds eternal, absolute, objective moral values and scorns the conditional, the relative and the subjective-your code hands out, as its version of the absolute, the following rule of moral conduct: If you wish it, it’s evil; if others wish it, it’s good; if the motive of your action is your welfare, don’t do it; if the motive is the welfare of others, then anything goes.”
--Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged - from John Galt's speech

These are the enemies of civilization - killers without conscience , preaching a phony morality of human sacrifice and servitude in the service of enslaving you to their own sick will to power. In researching my book, one of the recurring main themes is that monsters such as these aren't merely content with slavery and slaughter: they demand your applause while they are doing it. If there is anything more monstrous, more deserving of complete and utter extinction, I don't know what it is.

This is the depth of perversion into which our Western civilization has sunk. This is the nature of our enemies. The time for apologies, for self-effacement, for Mr. Nice Guy is over. We owe these monsters nothing. Nothing except their own extinction.

26 posted on 03/02/2011 9:31:18 AM PST by Noumenon ("We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.")
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