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Obama's long-form birth certificate debunked - with illustrations
Personal examination ^ | 04/30/2011 | EasTexSteve

Posted on 05/01/2011 6:45:48 AM PDT by eastexsteve

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To: Yardstick; eastexsteve

I’m not sure Steve’s post needs a response, but since you asked...

As to where I’ve been, I’ve been working... and researching.

I don’t think Steve really understands the situation. I don’t think he has actually quite grasped what I’m talking about. I do think he’s a smart guy, so maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my posts closely enough.

Particularly, he needs to go back through 187 with a fine-toothed comb.

All he has done in his most recent post is to repeat his theory, which I understand quite perfectly, and which is unfortunately incorrect. Yes, that was a solid statement.

BTW, I do graphic editing professionally.


221 posted on 05/04/2011 9:44:36 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9MiDTG2swM&NR=1


222 posted on 05/04/2011 9:50:20 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

I do this stuff for a living. Sorry, but it’s basically like you’re trying to tutor a professor with a 3rd-grade textbook.


223 posted on 05/04/2011 10:24:19 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: little jeremiah

>> Some people on FR - quite a few, lately - seem to have as their sole interest “debunking”

I’m waiting for someone to ‘debunk’ the idea of differing serifs of the 1 digits in the serial number. Assuming the rightmost 1 digit didn’t get picked up by OCR and remained rasterized, the downward hooking serif on the leftmost OCR 1 digit appears non-reproducible from the rasterized 1 digit on the right.


224 posted on 05/04/2011 10:35:34 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Jeff Winston

you may do it for a living, but are Obama’s lackey’s smarter than a 5th grader?


225 posted on 05/04/2011 10:40:29 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Jeff Winston
Here's a point he made that I thought was interesting:

And, they weren’t careful about what images they selected from secondary documents, because they accidentally selected some typeset proportional font text and kerned font text (possibly from a magazine of that era, or a later printed document) and included it in their primary editing layer.

If it's true that some of the text consists of proportional and kerned fonts that couldn't have been created in 1960s, then this seems to throw a new wrinkle into things. I don't see how the software processes involved in scanning the image -- the ones that try to recognize text and that create the various layers -- can explain this. Maybe you've covered it already but I don't think I've seen it.

226 posted on 05/04/2011 11:20:20 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: rolling_stone
you may do it for a living, but are Obama’s lackey’s smarter than a 5th grader?

I assume that's an ad hominem attack, which would indicate that you have nothing of any substance whatsoever to say about any point that I've made.

227 posted on 05/04/2011 11:26:12 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Yardstick
If it's true that some of the text consists of proportional and kerned fonts that couldn't have been created in 1960s, then this seems to throw a new wrinkle into things.

If it were, then it would.

But typewriters had proportional fonts as far back as the 1940s. And there's no evidence of any kerning. Those are simply closely-spaced typewriter strikes. And they're uneven. A typewriter with sophisticated kerning wouldn't produce randomly-uneven text.

228 posted on 05/04/2011 11:30:26 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

Its a reflection on this administration not you. Everything they do they screw up. Sure you and everyone else has made some points, but the fact is nothing has shown that it is not a forgery, only that it some of these phenomenons may be created by the software, not that it was crated by the software.

It boils down to needing an old fahioned forensic examination by a questioned document examiner who can examine the actualopaper, ink, sn poddibly determine which ink is the same and not, which typewriter signature is the same or not , age of the paper maybe even age of the ink...then of course the details of the document, including the signatures and verify from the hospital if he was born there and who his doctor was. That is what will put this to rest and nothing less...unless someone breaks to it being a forgery..


229 posted on 05/05/2011 8:38:34 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

Sorry, I haven’t dealt with you much before that I recall, and I’ve been subjected to so many ad hominem attacks that I assumed your comment was another.

Yes, they seem totally screw up about 50% of what they undertake, and on the 50% that they succeed on, they move the country in the exact wrong direction, so I’d say they have a pretty consistent track record.

It’s lucky for them they have the major media to cover for them at every single turn. I don’t agree with absolutely everything the Bush administration did, but if they had been as incompetent Bush would’ve been impeached already.

And you’re entirely correct about a good old fashioned paper-document forensic examination being needed. But that will never happen, and IMO would be unlikely to produce results anyway.

I now see the birther movement as mostly a dead-end street. I could be wrong but I don’t think Corsi’s got the goods. We’ll see. I think Obama’s policies are going to be the thing.


230 posted on 05/05/2011 12:59:37 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

According to Steve, IBM didn’t produce a typewriter with proportional fonts until 1966. Is it plausible that the BC was typed on some other brand of typewriter that had proportional fonts? I guess it must be, since we see the same proportional font on the Nordyke twins’ BC. If it’s legit on their BC, then it must be legit on Obama’s too.

And I think you’re right about the kerning. When you look through the whole document you see misalignments in the characters that are very typical of what you get with a manual typewriter. Occasionally you’ll see what looks like a kerned pair, but just as often you’ll see a pair where the spacing is wider than normal and in some cases it’s a vertical misalignment. So to me the kerning argument goes out the window too.

So I’m back to thinking the conspiracy theory doesn’t hold water.


231 posted on 05/07/2011 9:46:21 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
According to Steve, IBM didn’t produce a typewriter with proportional fonts until 1966. Is it plausible that the BC was typed on some other brand of typewriter that had proportional fonts? I guess it must be, since we see the same proportional font on the Nordyke twins’ BC. If it’s legit on their BC, then it must be legit on Obama’s too.

Yes, there were typewriters with proportional fonts starting in the 1940s.

232 posted on 05/07/2011 1:43:02 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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