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To: Cronos
Acts 22:16; 16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.

While all the quotations are true, you are perverting the meaning of Acts 22:16. Paul in defense was relating what Ananias told him after he had received his sight.

3,636 posted on 06/20/2011 9:47:07 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Err...? the only words I put in that post were Remember that the Apostles right from Acts take the very words of Jesus Christ (above) and believed in them. They did not use human logic to deny what He said. Paul only elaborates past the simple message of Christ., the rest were direct quotes from scripture.

There is no "perverting of meaning" because those are direct quotes from scripture

3,637 posted on 06/20/2011 9:50:56 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: AndrewC; Matchett-PI; getoffmylawn; aruanan
I said
Remember that the Apostles right from Acts take the very words of Jesus Christ (above) and believed in them. They did not use human logic to deny what He said.

Paul only elaborates past the simple message of Christ.:

Acts 2:38,

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 22:16;
16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.
Rom. 6:1–4;
1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
1 Cor 6:11,
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God
1 Cor 12:13;
13 For we were all baptized by[a] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
Gal. 3:26–27;
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ
Eph. 5:26;
to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word,
Col. 2:11–12;
11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh[a] was put off when you were circumcised by[b] Christ,
12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Titus 3:5;
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

Direct quotes -- if you find these to be a perversion, I'm sorry, but Acts 22 is quite clear

11And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus. 12And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there, 13Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him. 14And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. 15For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. 16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. -- be baptised and wash away your sins calling on the name of the Lord. This is Ananias DIRECTLY listening to the DIRECT words of Jesus Christ:

12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. 14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

it's very simple -- one ought to follow Jesus Christ's words and do not let human logic twist one away from this -- Christ is clear -- Believe AND be baptise and one is saved. Believe not, baptism doesn't follow and one is damned. That's God's logic -- human logic is in your post that said If A then B does not imply If not A then not B(inverse). It does imply If not B then not A(contrapositive).


3,639 posted on 06/20/2011 9:57:40 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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