Posted on 05/16/2011 7:59:29 PM PDT by geraldmcg
and most of what you say, Longbow, is very reasonable and logical. You don’t have to prove anything. WND is sometimes absurd. and probably all this is going nowhere.
...but it is actually people like YOU, that made me so curious, and made me do so much research. You wrote:
“Hussein will not be defeated by birther stuff. The only way to run Obama out of the White House is to focus on the economy and remind the public what a horrible President he is. Birth certificate conspiracies will not even be part of the 2012 discussion.”
...you wrote that on another thread! almost identical to what you put above. You put a great deal of time into saving a few misguided birthers from our folly... instead of ignoring us, and working on the issues, etc., you say are much more important...
and i noticed there are MANY others like you. THAT is what really aroused my curiosity... and then, when i started digging, i found things that were impossible, like a Connecticut SSN... and the more i read, the more impossible things i found, and the more evidence of a coverup... missing documents, etc.
...i wasn’t a birther before. You actually helped make me one.
and since you have repeated your words many times, i will do the same, and hope anyone who is annoyed will forgive me.
...now, there are even more questions raised.
terrorist Bill Ayers astounding quote about using dead babies to get SSN’s, the Hawaiian baby Virginia S.; who died after 4 August and disappeared, the impossibility of a Connecticut SSN; the words on the left margin of the LFBC that curve with the photocopy next to words that don’t; the signatures that have different pixel sizes...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2713569/posts
The newly released FOIA info about Obama Sr, showing consistently that from 1959 to 1963, he claimed he was born in 1934, so was age 27 in 1961... So why is his age wrong on the BC???
...it was only in 1964, that he changed his birthdate to 1936... which is what a forger would have seen...
But in 1961, according to US Government records, an honest BC should have shown him as 27...
(that was a major argument against the first reported Kenyan BC... people said it had to be a forgery, because it showed him older than 25...)
...Added to previous “coincedences” like page 11 of the divorce papers missing, his Hawaii kindergarten records missing, certain pages of his Mother’s passport files missing, and much more... there is a LOT of smoke here, for no fire...
John McCain, for all his faults, is an honorable man. He showed his photocopied LFBC immediately, when honest questions arose. He didn’t wait 2 years, and then show a highly questionable abstract... after sending Colonel Lakin to prison, for asking honest sincere questions for over a year.
I don’t have the answers. but the honest questions remain...
The birth certificate does not matter for Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro. He was handed ‘by the blood’ British/Kenya East African citizenship at birth from his father who was never a citizen of the United States, nor intended to be. He was later adopted by Lolo Soetoro who handed him, by adoption, citizenship in Indonesia. He traveled to Pakistan on that passport. He has never renounced those citizenships. And he stood up and told you he was a ctizen of the world in Berlin, possibly the only time in his life he has spoke a truth. To me THAT DAY he renounced any claim to US citizenship. But more than that, he never was, is not, and never will be a natural born citizen of the US.
Read my post more carefully. I was giving an example of the nuttiness of WND. Farah made that loony prediction, not you.
Thank you for posting a reply.
However, my interest was in seeing the the Obama/Nordyke documents side by side at the magnification that shows the “kerning” effect on one, and not the other. I don’t have the software to do it with, so was hoping someone had already done it and it was posted somewhere.
Again, thanks anyway.
“Carl speaks fluent conversational Spanish which he attributes as a supernatural and spiritual gift from God”?
So why is it always the “y” that is so close, as if kerning is used? Seems rather unlikely one of the main characters that would be adjusted by kerning, just so happened to be the main one adjusted by accident.
Oh my gosh, consistency! Another conspiracy!! People actually say and think the same thing about the same subject on multiple threads!
I think Trump is a clown and NOT a conservative and have said so on probably dozens of threads. Is that repetitive consistency a sign of a secret plot too?
and i noticed there are MANY others like you. THAT is what really aroused my curiosity
Err, so, are we in on the conspiracy as well?
I will say it again just as I've said at least a dozen times before. The only way to defeat Obama is on the issues - specifically the economy. This President has run up massive debt, significantly increased unemployment, dramatically weakened the US dollar, passed a disasterous government takeover of health care, etc, etc. Those are the issues that will matter to voters - NOT birth certificate nonsense.
It was here, and I watched it earlier, but Google won’t let me now for some reason...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2720557/posts?page=438#438
Well put.
The significant data points are those Orly Taitz handed to the court, namely that things like the fold effect on lettering of the form and the added words like the hospital name and the sex of the child are very different ... the supposed typed in lettering does not suffer the curvature of the paper thus it is added visual data placed upon an image, not derived from a photo copy of a paper document. Such anomolies are now part of a legal record and thus more significant than internet conjectures. And there are several more, too.
...birth certificate nonsense...
i don’t think there’s any way he would ever be removed from office, but this is far from nonsense. At a minimum a flaw has been exposed in our system that can allow non-citizens to become President. Changes need to be made immediately to close those loopholes. Either you’re on board with that or you don’t really care if he’s American or not, or if future ones are either.
Trump may have been an opener for Obama’s bc but in so doing he also exposed a lot of anti USA actions. Time will tell if Trump was a ploy for Obama.
No one knows if Soetoro legally adopted him. And while it’s highly suspected, no one knows if he went to Pakistan on an Indonesian pass. I would bet money on it, but we don’t actually know. These are essential questions that we should be able to ask of our President. But no one dares to. Donald??
I posted this in another thread, but it seems to belong here too!
Here is something for you to think about...
If you wanted a damaging story to die, how would you go about it? Maybe you should address your accusers with any evidence no matter how implausible, ridicule them and then have something so big and important in the news that it will eclipse any rebuttal.
The Obama supporters and media came out on the day after the release and said that the issue was irrefutably resolved and that his detractors were either crazy or racists. They got in the last word.
Its almost like he knew that Seal Team 6 was gonna bag UBL, and seized the opportunity to bury his dirty laundry.
But the question that bothers me the most is whether the release of the undeniably photoshopped document was arranged around UBL’s takedown, or whether it was the other way around?
Governments stink at conspiracies and secrets. Anyone could write their own check at the tabloids for exposing how the fraud was pulled off, and likely become infamous for being the whistleblower who brought down a president. It just makes no sense to release a fake document, especially with so much dissatisfaction within the Democrat party over what's been done (and not done) so far.
Instead, take what you're got - a legal document establishing Obama’s paternity, identifying a man who was not a citizen at the time of Obama’s birth (and no indication that he ever intended to be a citizen.) Obama’s natural born status at birth is in question from this, and further clouded by a foreign adoption and likely transfer of citizenship.
But hey, let's watch another three minute expose on how this is all a fake document. The liberals love it when we waste our own time and look like fools.
I guess that's how the typewriter was assembled. The pairs in question are ty, Gy, ay, nya. In the last one (in 'Kenya') you can see that 'y' is shifted to the left, so that the gap after 'y' is larger than it should be. This also explains the 'ap' near-ligature in Kapiolani that was shown in the video. It's not 'p' that is off, it's 'a', and you can see it everywhere in the document.
Regardless, the offset is miniscule, and the typewriter is as good as they ever get. We are just spoiled by perfect 300 dpi fonts in our computers. Those mechanical clunkers weren't nearly as good. As matter of fact, _all_ letters on those typewriters are slightly off, and that was used to identify a particular typewriter with excellent reliability.
If you look at other printed text you will see that letters are all over the place. The baseline in 'East Africa' is not followed, this is *typical* for mechanical typewriters that move the font block (or the carriage) to switch case. Computers can't do it, they just aren't programmed for such a silly thing. There are variations everywhere, just what you'd expect from a manual typewriter.
If the document is not genuine then the forgers had 2+ years to get it right. In this time you can obtain a proper typewriter and type the whole thing up and triple-check it. I think this is barking at the wrong tree. No doubt that the document is produced on a mechanical typewriter.
Even if Obama is a perfect natural born citizen (despite all the problems with his father) he is still working against the ideals of the country. That is what should be his downfall. Debates about his documents are out of people's control, meaning that on the day before elections he can mail a huge poster of the magnified certified copy of his BC to every household in the USA - and then what? He must be defeated because of his actions because those actions are now public and out of his control. Anything else would be playing by his rules, especially so late in the game.
This term is done. Prep for the next one, including somehow forcing the SCOTUS or Congress to define NBC, although we may not like the results. So don’t completely discount the possibility of a fake just yet, either.
LOL!
Wow you are brain washed to obey government and not ask any questions. You call people names without any facts to prove what they are saying is wrong.
WND and the youtube video post their evidence, and your counter point is to call them names. Never mind trying to dispute their facts. Real mature by the way!
interesting that the other bc’s from that same hospital and time didn’t offset their y’s though too isn’t it, and the fact we have a loophole in our election process is worth looking into further to resolve as well. At least in my opinion.
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