Posted on 05/16/2011 7:59:29 PM PDT by geraldmcg
I'm sure the hospital had more than one typewriter :-) And such irregularities are present on other BCs in several different ways. That is exactly how I would expect it to be.
the fact we have a loophole in our election process is worth looking into further to resolve as well.
The people in power don't want to do it. And as we learned once a new guy is elected he is quickly "educated" on what is and what isn't good for him, and that is not an offer that can be refused.
The political system of this country has so much intertia built in that it, like a heavy truck out of control, can't be stopped or even steered. Well, you can stop such a truck, but the crash will be heard for miles. The politicians are just waiting until the truck crashes on its own; perhaps they know that they can't do a thing, short of initiating "a revolution from above" - which rarely works, just ask Michael Gorbachev. So I fear that we are well past the point of no return.
Since bin Loser’s location has been known for many months and the training for the mission is many weeks old, what do you think? I’m sure you’ve heard the expression ‘wag the dog’. The arrogance displayed in ‘releasing’ such a plain fraud and claiming it is a ‘certified HI issued copy of Barry Soetoro’s long form birth cert is but one aspect of what a nation now endures for promoting an affirmative action slug to such an important job. Sadly, a myriad of much more capable folks are now employed in giving this slug cover, for the political expediency of it all.
We’re so screwed.
Well I act on my fears and try to prevent the worst. As for Gorbachev, hadn’t heard his first name in years, nor do I see the relevance. The Tea Party is a good start for the US though, just needs more people supporting them. Out.
Thank you. I watched the video and while it seems persuasive enough to me, I’m not a forgery expert and thus cannot say with 100% certainty that the “kerning” effect is going to be seen as a “smoking gun” proof of forgery.
True enough, there seems to be several legitimate questions surrounding the document and I would be interested in following the query until those questions have been answered. That’s my only interest in following these threads relating to a birth certificate at this time.
My main interest, however, has been the question of whether our country has been misled by the current political class on the definition of the constitutional phrase “natural born citizen”. It seems to me that the question has been answered “by default”, and the original intent has been lost unless the matter is settled once and for all in a court of law (and ultimately by the USSC).
Regardless, I don’t see either issue (birth cert. and nbC) having any resolution in the short term. As many other conservatives have pointed out on these threads recently, we have other serious problems with Obama that can and will be used to try to unseat him in 2012.
All of that can be easily dismissed by waving your hand in the air dismissively don’t you know? There is nothing more authoritative than a good hand wave. ROTFLMAO @ the anti-birthers.
And yet no irregularities like that appear anywhere in the Nordyke document typed just a few days apart. Amazing!
Not sure that’s a scan, but in any event, the seals on the type of paper used today and with modern scanners, do not show up well.
The seals have already been found on all of the BC’s released by Zer0, so as far as I can tell, the seals are a non issue. They are in fact on the BC’s shown to the public.
I’m not an expert at all, and the first hurdle I would think of when deciding to fake a BC would be the seal. I certainly wouldn’t forget to put it on the documents.
Generally true. There ARE traces of a seal on the "birth certificate".
But since we can't see what the seal actually says, we are expected to assume that the seal is the one Hawaii uses for such things. But devices to create similar embossed seals that would be just good enough to pass muster on a scanned document are readily available. And considering how much evidence exists in that pdf file that the image was altered, it's certainly possible that the barely visible seal is not really a Hawaii state seal at all.
Ha! They scan very well on an authentic BC. The second release of the BC looks nothing like the one you posted.
bttt
Most likely that's a scan of a print made from a microfiche, in other words, it's a scan of a photograph.
And...I will say again that this is about defending the Constitution and the rule of law. If we do not defend the Constitution and the rule of law there will soon be NO elections or the elections will be meaningless.
If Obama is a natural born citizen ( a **simple** matter to prove with a few COMMON and routinely certifiable documents) then he has every right to a full and complete term in the White House.
“or”
Is that like Slick Willie’s “definition of the meaning of the word ‘is’ “?
Honestly, do you really believe that is the “standard” certification wording of the HI Dept. of Health in these matters. It is like the wording that the Dem party used in certifying his candidacy. Legal Weasel Words....
This will eventually come out and it will not be pretty when it is all exposed, my young troll friend.
When people I speak to throw the race card into the mix, I always remind them that Obama’s mother was white. The term racist, in this diluted world, to me, holds no meaning......it only serves to give knuckleheads like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton reasons to get up and go to “work” each morning!!
When people I speak to throw the race card into the mix, I always remind them that Obama’s mother was white. The term racist, in this diluted world, to me, holds no meaning......it only serves to give knuckleheads like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton reasons to get up and go to “work” each morning!!
Nothing will be exposed without strong evidence.
So far, no one has produced any.
Weak evidence only hurts the case.
It doesn’t help to keep saying there aren’t any seals, when it’s already been shown many times that there are seals. It further doesn’t help to then move the goalposts and say that the seals aren’t the right seals.
It just begins to look like a silly game of one upmanship.
The stamp is the stamp. It says what it says. Disagreeing with the wording or the meaning of the wording doesn’t change that.
BS!
The evidence is strong that the document was modified after it was scanned.
What is not clear is exactly what was changed, why it was changed, and how it was changed.
What’s your explanation?
And if you can’t read the seal, how do you know it’s the right seal?
Is it because Baraq The Magnificent and his court jesters say so?
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