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To: Scythian; ElkGroveDan; All
"It is not a chemical, nor a substance, it is bacteria, let’s start with real facts and go from there."

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The principal fault with your bravo sierra scare post is that you have no idea WTH you are babbling about!!!.

The bacterium, Bacillus thuringiensis ("Bt") is no more a "toxin" than the mold, Pennicillium notatum is an "antibiotic".

Go take a basic seventh-grade science course before you start posting such alarmist nonsense!


33 posted on 05/25/2011 9:28:33 AM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: TXnMA
The bacterium, Bacillus thuringiensis ("Bt") is no more a "toxin" than the mold, Pennicillium notatum is an "antibiotic".

Umm, I never called it a toxin? It's a bacteria, I've always known that.
36 posted on 05/25/2011 9:39:31 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: TXnMA

Quite clearly they are stating or understanding that “Bt” means Bacillus thuringiensis, a bacteria. Also that this bacteria produces an endotoxin, a protein which is naturally deadly to certain agricultural pests.

They also are making the point this is some agenda driven drivel, which it is. Reference my prior posts #11, and #13.

Scythian was making the point that industry had said the endotoxin would not end up in humans. But it (apparently, if they did the work right— and who knows) does.
So, what does a protein do when it hits PH2 acid in the stomach? It completely denatures, and breaks down, into amino acids... some of which are useful, some are not.

What the article doesn’t make clear is they say the “study” is claiming finding “protein” in the umbilical blood—not possible unless they mean amino acid . They may be stretching it a little- since a “protein” of this type would have to be “labeled” in some way to ID it to the product. Monsanto has some kind of proprietary chemical label on their product. The “proof” is the label— and just the label doesn’t mean the endotoxin is present as such, but maybe a labeled amino acid. Since the “label” is proprietary they’d have to know what it was to start with.

But even if it did show up... as many have pointed out here.. it is not present in any real level of any provable harm.

The discussion of GM crops (which are created sterile to prevent the genetic introduction to the environment) causing heirloom crops to “go sterile” is falsely premised— since sterile is sterile (unless it really isn’t which would be huge).

A grower, have to deal with this stuff all the time. And “organic” means you fertilize with manure, FR folks.

You are right to admonish folks to get up to speed. Notice these anti-monsanto people, and enviro whacks have no problem with the number of people killed by malaria since the elimination of DDT. Or the fact that alar didn’t do a damn thing to people, but made beautiful apples. There is an astounding lack of chemical knowledge, even 7th grade level.


41 posted on 05/25/2011 10:03:08 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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