Exclusive: Court Subpoena for Obama’s Original Birth Certificate Served to Hawaii Health Department

The Post & Email ^ | July 05, 2011 | Sharon Rondeau

[Vickery2010]

“I just had this discussion recently (click). June and July would be considered “summer”.”

But it was promptly pointed out that none of the supposed examples actually involved someone saying that two citizen parents were always necessary.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2740270/posts?page=59#59

Two of the three examples were posters saying that two citizen parents were necessary IF THE CHILD WAS BORN OVERSEAS. And the third (Dante3) wasn’t saying it was necessary to be born of two citizen parents on US soil, only that it was unequivocal that being born of two citizen parents on US soil was adequate.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2047869/posts?page=50#50

If there really was an old requirement that all Presidents be born of two citizen parents, you’d think it would be easy to find plenty of people saying “All Presidents must be born of two citizen parents.” Or better yet, books that say that. You wouldnt have to pretend that the linked comments above say that.

[TheOldLady]

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[so_real]

Your allegation and perception is so ridiculously errant, that I'm not going to waste a whole lot of time defending my position to you.

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To: dascallie

These issues should be clarified. The original, unchanged birth certificate for any candidate for POTUS - Obama and McCain' should be public record. Also, both parents have to be American citizens and the candidate has to be born in this country.

Questions have been raised about the eligibility of both candidates, especially Obama, and there should be no problem in verifying the information. What if Obama's mother had renounced her citizenship? For McCain, being born on a US military base is not the same as being born in the USA. In view of the outlandish decisions by the Supreme Court, it would come as no surprise if it said McCain did not meet the criteria.

45 posted on 07/19/2008 7:44:18 AM PDT by Dante3

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The date is 07/19/2008. The comment is "both parents have to be American citizens and the candidate has to be born in this country". The context clearly includes both Obama and McCain, and "any candidate for POTUS" for that matter. In post #50 you reference, Dante3 clarifies his opinion further by going on to say

"There is no question if both parents of a candidate are citizens AND he is born in the United States. If not, then it needs clarification. I would not want a POTUS who holds dual citizenship. "

If you truly believe I've misunderstood Dante3's opinion, or that he does not actually believe the POTUS must qualify with pure allegiance, by all means, ping him and ask him directly to educate you. Otherwise, wise up.

As for the rest of what "you'd think", Rep. John Bingham (the primary author of the 14th Amendment) described his understanding of natural born citizenship in 1866 :

"[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen"

And prior to that in 1862, while discussing his understanding of citizenship, Bingham stated

"There is not a textbook referred to in any court which does not recognise the principle that I assert."

If you want to join the ranks of those with their eyes closed pretending history isn't what it is, feel free. As for me, I'll stick to learning history and the expressed original intent. I don't 'know it all' yet, but every day puts me a step further ahead of those who make no effort at all.

[Dante3]

These issues should be clarified. The original, unchanged birth certificate for any candidate for POTUS - Obama and McCain' should be public record. Also, both parents have to be American citizens and the candidate has to be born in this country.

[mojitojoe]

Curiosity, working hard, day and night, on FR, to defend Marxist in Chief.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2744423/posts?page=140#140

[Brown Deer]

I know it is more emotionally satisfying to you to think he's a hardcore Marxist, but the truth of the matter is that he's really just a common, run-of-the-mill European-style social democrat.

seems like you missed this:

Can you believe the nerve of this Marxist bastard [B. Hussein Obama] who's speaking on FOX NEWS?"

This lying communist bastard needs to be run out of Dodge on a rail!

and this:

Marxism, excessive government force, takeovers, congressional treason. Where does it lead?

We all know where Obama’s Marxist policies will lead. Higher and higher taxes, higher and higher debt, higher and higher inflation, higher and higher costs, higher and higher unemployment, higher and higher crime and corruption.

and this:

Obama the big spending Marxist must be put on a leash!

[thecodont]

Good. Good. Praying. Go Orly.

[Jim Robinson]

Marxist defender zot.

[50mm]

Looks like "curiosity" got the kitties! ZOT!

To be added or removed from the Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list, FReepmail Darkwing104.

[little jeremiah]

Thank you for shining light on the darkness.

[Vendome]

tis the season

[Bikkuri]

[Bikkuri]

Thank you for that one Brown Deer, was well worth the wait.. from the Bossman himself!

Curiosity got the best of ZOT!
;)

[Condor51]

[bcsco]

Heh. I guess we can say "Curiosity got the cat"...

[Danae]

Now that was a zot LOOOOOOONG overdue.

[dragonblustar]

[TheOldLady]

Hat Tip to 50mm and DJ MacWoW

Long-time zer0bot troll goes too far and gets propelled even farther by a painfully sizzling ride off the site

[TheOldLady]

I love that one.

[bcsco]

I borrowed it from JoeProBono for that post. I’m working on the kitten for an animated lightning gif.

[mojitojoe]

WOOHOO, for 2 3/4 years curiosity has been defending "Mr. I Won", about darn time this Obama voter, Conservative hating, Romneybot got the zot.