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To: Navy Patriot

So your argument is, the, that Breivik is a Leftist, because you believe him to be a Nazi? But he killed a camp full of Leftists, didn’t he?

Perhaps these “Left” and “Right” distinctions aren’t holding up very well in the 21st Century. For the second half of the 20th Century, both Nazism and Fascism were viewed as ideologies of the Right. Nowadays the argument is made that Nazism, on the basis of its name and its mass nature, was an ideology from the Left.

How do you classify Fascism? Is *any* mass movement now considered to be from the Left, because its is based on power from a united people? That would only leave Monarchism and Dictatorships on the Right - and perhaps Anarchists (who, interestingly, have usually been considered to be Far Left.)

Since Plato, forms of government had been classified by the nature of the group holding power. Marx added the element of control of the means of production. Do any of those categories of political philosophy enter into your thinking?


103 posted on 07/24/2011 8:23:08 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: worst-case scenario
For the second half of the 20th Century, both Nazism and Fascism were viewed as ideologies of the Right. Nowadays the argument is made that Nazism, on the basis of its name and its mass nature, was an ideology from the Left.

Correct, Nazism was purported to be from the right. It never was. Hitler worked closely with the communists early in his "career" and intended to take Germany using communist tactics. However, Hitler was in business for himself, and never intended to do the work and then hand over control to Moscow and the international communist party, standard procedure for communist expansion at the time.

Instead, Hitler broke with the commies when he had enough power and went National Socialist, which was effectively National Communist with an important exception: Hitler kept the industrialists on efficiently running Germany's industry, he didn't kill them like Lenin and Stalin did. Result: Hitler controlled all private industry without crashing it like Russia did.

Later Hitler took great pleasure in killing as many Russian lefties as he could, so lefties do kill other lefties, and always have.

Finally some thinkers noticed that communism and Nazism have only minor differences in how they confiscate and use private property, (the key to class warfare and socialism), discovering that communism and Nazism are both leftist ideologies.

How do you classify Fascism? Is *any* mass movement now considered to be from the Left, because its is based on power from a united people?

Fascism is also very closely related, again private property is confiscated because the needy masses have a "right" to it. We currently practice Fascism in the United States, certainly with General Motors, but also everyplace else we call "crony capitalism".

The other symptom is government-corporate partnership where the government destroys the corporation's competition.

It's not power from a united people, it's power from united looters, nothing more, and always from the left.

Can tyrannies come from the right? Certainly, history proves it, but SOCIALIST tyrannies can only come from the left.

105 posted on 07/24/2011 9:14:00 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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