Posted on 08/16/2011 9:42:18 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
No, it's an informed statement based on the characteristics of the Hispanic population in Texas, with which I am very familiar. A significant number of our Hispanics either have no healthcare or rely upon Medicaid. Medicaid certainly would not pay for Gardasil. And our churches would likely not pay for it either due to moral objections. So relying on charities, Christian or otherwise, would not have been a realistic option. In fact, I would leave my church if it wanted to use my charitable contributions to pay for Gardasil vaccinations.
Whether it was a small number or not is really irrelevant when one considers the approach taken.
Then why did you raise it as a point of discussion?
I sympathize with your gut; lets see how it works its way through the primaries.
Lets just see how it works out.
Worst case: they nominate Romnuts.
‘Tea Party’ people throw Palin into office via write-in, yes? Remember: it doesn’t matter WHAT Palin thinks ‘bout th e matter. WE - as Americans - do NOT care what any arbitrary women things (or feels), we just THROW her into office. PERIOD.
Whatta weird government...
You are apparently determined to miss the point: Palin gave Perry a ringing endorsement in 2009, saying, among other things, "He does what is right regardless of whether it is popular. He walks the walk of a true conservative." You can find the full text of the endorsement letter here: http://republicancandidates.blogspot.com/2009/02/governor-sarah-palins-endorsement-of.html When or how she became a conservative is completely irrelevant to the question, and is not in the least bit addressed in my post, nor in your original observation. You said conservatives should distrust him. I replied that Palin evidently has no such distrust, based on her most recent statements. You counter that Palin has always been a conservative. O.... K....
By the 1950s Reagan was formally CAMPAIGNING for Republicans, Eisenhower in 1952, and 1956, and Nixon in 1960.
Again, irrelevant. Please actually read my post before you "refute" me with a claim that is entirely impertinent.
1990 is 21 years ago. That is when Perry became a Republican. Reagan campaigned for a Democrat in 1950. The chronology pretty clearly marks his last break with any liberal notions around 1951, but he did not become a Republican officially for some time after that. I won't quibble with you: Whenever you wish to draw the line is fine with me. Now count back less than a decade from that date and you will find Reagan was a solid supporter of FDR. If you hold support for Gore against Perry, you cannot give my favorite President a pass on that basis. If 21 years is your statute of limitations, then he was still radioactively untrustworthy when he came out for Goldwater in 1964.
But of course, he wasn't.
And that's the point.
The issue is not when Perry "converted." The issue is what does he believe now. What does his record as a Republican show? That is what concerns me.
Yes and clearly you haven't a solid grasp on what those numbers actually reflect because you repeat them as if they're a conservative credit score. They aren't. They don't reflect what you think they do. Look it up.
Quit trying to push that leftist Al Gore here.
I am NOT pushing Al Gore at Free Republic. Accusing me of doing so is disingenuous. My posts were meant to inform people about Gore's positions in 1988 NOT to promote him. He's pure scum!
All you’re doing is tossing up chaff to obscure Perry’s Gardasil decision. We only have your word for it that large numbers of people couldn’t afford the vaccine and no way could private charity be used to provide it. You offer no facts, just opinion.
The historical record speaks for itself. Governor Perry opted for the statist approach. Not only that. He fought for it against the popular will of the people. I’m told he now admits it was a mistake. Fine. That’s certainly a plus, but it still calls into question the ideology that drove it. Was it the kind of thing a small government guy would do?
Keep in mind, I don’t see the Gardasil thing as a make or break issue for Perry, but it’s another snippet of information that shouldn’t be ignored when one forms an opinion of the man and his ideology.
BTW, I’m not the one running for president and claiming to be a small government conservative...
I supported Perry for Governor as well, of course Palin supported him over Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
You don’t seem to understand that it makes a difference what era you were a democrat in, being a post Carter, anti-Reagan, pro Al Gore democrat is totally different than having been a democrat in the 1930s and 1940s, Palin understood that as she registered as a Republican just before Perry was registering as a Democrat candidate during the Reagan Revolution.
As far as what he believes NOW, he evidently believes that Rudy Giuliani “He’s the closest thing we have to a Ronald Reagan Republican in this race” speaking of 2008.
FredZarguna: “The issue is not when Perry “converted.” The issue is what does he believe now. What does his record as a Republican show? That is what concerns me.”
Bears repeating.
I knew who Al Gore was in 1988, I did not want him to replace President Reagan, Rick Perry did, and you are fiercely defending his decision.
ansel12: “As far as what he believes NOW, he evidently believes that Rudy Giuliani “He’s the closest thing we have to a Ronald Reagan Republican in this race” speaking of 2008.”
Yikes! That one certainly left a mark...
Guiliani = Reagan? LOL!
I am not obscuring Perry’s Gardasil decision. I’ve repeatedly said it was wrong and a bad idea. The author of this vanity offered a very small amount of information about the Gardasil decision. There are other factors to be considered when coming to a conclusion about the matter.
I would expect that as a FReeper you’d want all of the information you could obtain in order to make an informed decision. If not, ignore my posts.
You are capable of verifying the information I’ve supplied about the Texas Hispanic population. If you don’t want to, don’t. I won’t supply facts for your reference because I’m not trying to convince you. I am simply presenting information that I think is relevant to the discussion. What you do with it is your responsibility. Others will exercise their responsibility.
No, I am not. I am offering information that I considered when looking into the matter, which was the subject of this vanity. You don't have to consider it. You're free to ignore it, but it's wrong to accuse me of pushing Al Gore on FR.
What's laughable is your conclusion. LOL.
I don’t know that much about Perry, so any information, plus or minus, is appreciated. I didn’t know anything about this Gardisil issue. It is troubling, as it is not something a small government conservative would do. Also, it just happened in 2007. I can forgive supporting Al Gore in 1988, as that was a fairly long time ago.
Perry is certainly not ideal. I think it’s pretty well established he’s weak on immigration. It sounds like he’s pretty comfortable spending tax money.
Still, he’s not Romney. I have dismissed Romney, as there is virtually nothing about him I support. At least Perry seems to hate global warming, which is one of my litmus tests. If you pay lip-service to this ridiculous, job-crushing hoax, you are not qualified to be President, period. I have eliminated Pawlenty, McCain, Chris Christie, and Newt Gingrich from consideration based on this.
I would like to see Palin run. I don’t know much about her either. I like her story better than Perry’s. That being, she is the outsider, not beholden to the good-ol-boy network of big government. Of course, I’m not sure the reality would live up to the story. Furthermore, I question whether Palin’s record as governor is any more conservative than Perry’s. I haven’t researched it, and I don’t know, because she’s not running.
Detailed gardasil history from Michelle Malkin-> http://michellemalkin.com/2011/07/20/obamas-ministers-of-culture-and-agitprop/
That EO ramps up that particular negative just a little bit. That and TTC and Perry’s’ own Amnesty make it difficult for me to see why a conservative would support the man.
I agree with you, but you will get nowhere with Perry bashers. No one is good enough for them. Either that are they are Obama supporters, hard to tell.
I suspect the only way the Republicans are not going to have Nominee Romney is the kenyanmugabe gets a serious primary challenge and the Democrats have to worry about their own contest and don’t flood the Republican primaries.
Wrongney is less conservative than Perry, who is less conservative than Bachmann, Palin, and Cain.
I’ll vote for Perry... if he is the only option other than Wrongney.
It gives me a bit of the heebie jeebies to know Perry was his Texas campaign manager in 1988, but it's not a deal killer for me as long as Perry truly has become conservative.
That being said, please don't pretend Gore was any kind of conservative, it doesn't help to believe a fairy tale.
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