[LeGrande]

Your logic is truly irrational. You engage in logical fallacy as a matter of course. Asserting that the supernatural doesn't exist except as an idea is begging the question.

Please do yourself a favor and look up 'begging the question' you are the one asserting that the supernatural exists.

Let's say that I observe a cat spontaneously forming for no reason out of nothing. Can you tell me that there is no cause or effect? That is your premise isn't it, that nothing has a cause or effect?

Yes that would be correct. Everything comes from waves of nothing.

[GourmetDan]

"Please do yourself a favor and look up 'begging the question' you are the one asserting that the supernatural exists."

Please do yourself a favor and look up 'begging the question' you are the one asserting that the supernatural does not exist.

"Yes that would be correct. Everything comes from waves of nothing."

Nope, just demonstrating that you would define a cat spontaneously forming for no reason out of nothing as having no cause and effect. You simply confirm that you accept 'no cause and effect' a priori, no matter what. That's 'begging the question'.